JH-7/JH-7A/JH-7B Thread

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Lets suppose the YJ-12 is real and the JH-7Bs can carry two of them each. 400 KM is well within the range of carrier aircrafts armed with AIM-120s, also traveling at Mach 4. A carrier borne E-2s can detect targets out about 550 KM. Which will provide early warning for the carrier, which receiving the threat warning will then launch a "whole lotta" F-18s/F-35s in the air "real quick" and also prompt the fleet air defense ships like the Ticos and the Burkes to get in position to launch their "whole lotta" SM-2s.

The outcome of this scenario is that a few YJ-12s might get through but not a lot. But I guess the PLNAF will then launch its second squadron of JH-7Bs with another 48 YJ-12s ... :p

Only in your fantasy will the PLAAF send in JH7 regiments piecemeal and with no friendly fighter escort.

You also might want to run some basic maths checks before getting too far ahead of yourself. Assuming the E2 spots an incoming attack wave 550km out, and those JH7s are only going at high subsonic speed of 1000kph, you got 9 minutes before they are within the 400km red line to start launching missiles. If those JH7s kicks into afterburner as soon as their RWR tells them they been spotted, you can cut that response time by half at least.

Assuming the escorts are making a 35-40knots dash, that's enough time for them to cover little over 10km in 9 minutes, considering a carrier group can spread anywhere between a few km apart or scores or even hundreds of km apart, those escorts were either in range to start with, or they won't have time to get in missile range in the short time they have after an attack is spotted.

Similar deal with fighter scrambles. I don't have exact figures for USN carriers, but the new RN QEII class for example, has a maximum launch rate of 24 birds per 15 minutes. Gives you a ballpark figure for how many fighters a carrier can realistically expect to get airborne in 9 minutes.

That is, of course just launching the fighters off the deck. An AMRAAM only as a 100km effective range or so, meaning those fighters would then have to cover 300km+ before they can launch at those incoming JH7s before they cross the red line.

Assuming a M2 dash (which the F35 can't actually achieve btw, but we'll let that slide), it would take around 7 minutes for those newly launched fighters to get 300km from their boat.

So, just how many fighters can a USN carrier launch in 2 minutes? Because that's all the time they have to launch birds for those fighters to have any sort of chance of getting a shot off at those incoming JH7s before they are within launch range of their YJ12s. Let me give you a hint, it ain't 'a whole lotta'.

That's also a best case scenario where the JH7s only maintain a leisurely high subsonic cruise after their RWR lights up like a Christmas tree, and I haven't even bothered to factor in the time it takes an AMRAAM to cover that last 100km after it has been fired.

In any realistic scenario, those JH7s would kick into max afterburner and make a mad dash towards their targets as soon as they realise they have been made. That can cut your reponse time in half easily, meaning even if you launched fighters the second you spotted those JH7s, those fighters still won't be in maximum missile range by the time those JH7s release weapons and head for home.

Factor in a multi-regiment saturation attack with its own AWACS and fighter escort, and you really have to be a fool to not take such a threat seriously.
 

Lion

Senior Member
I remember when YJ-83 was unveil and reached range of 250km by JH-7A while US SM-2 can only go 190km..
Then came SM-6 with range of 250km.
Now we have YJ-12 carry by JH-7B with range of 400km.

I think this number game is endless... :D
 
Last edited:

imranyounus

New Member
Registered Member
well i once asked a question about the stealth JH 7 B, what is the possibility that all this is just a coverup for a real stealth fighter bomber which may already be in service. and it is being kept away from enemny eyes
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Wolf, to throw a monkey wrench into your scenario: the carrier group should have a CAP on in a hostile environment. Maybe Jeff can tell us how many planes the CAP consist of
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Wolf, to throw a monkey wrench into your scenario: the carrier group should have a CAP on in a hostile environment. Maybe Jeff can tell us how many planes the CAP consist of

Yeah but wouldn't CAP would give away the carrier's position? You do know that China has a tracking satellite system that trace those CAP's to its vicinity of operations therefore making the search for the exact location of the carrier a lot easier. And depending on how close those CV are to China it could be a calling for either using the JH-7 or even the DF-21D.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Wolf, to throw a monkey wrench into your scenario: the carrier group should have a CAP on in a hostile environment. Maybe Jeff can tell us how many planes the CAP consist of

Of course there would be a CAP over the carrier. My post wasn't supposed to be about what a PLA attack might be like, I was merely point out some glaring holes in Volleyballer's post about how many fighters the carrier can scramble to intercept an attack wave after E2 spots it 550km out.

Which turns out isn't all that many when you factor in launch rate and actual distance the fighters need to cover to have any hope of getting to the JH7s before they can launch missiles.
 

volleyballer

Banned Idiot
Only in your fantasy will the PLAAF send in JH7 regiments piecemeal and with no friendly fighter escort.

Factor in a multi-regiment saturation attack with its own AWACS and fighter escort, and you really have to be a fool to not take such a threat seriously.

Very strong argument wolf. I stand rebuked. I should've put more time into that post. Thanks for the info.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Registered Member
Only in your fantasy will the PLAAF send in JH7 regiments piecemeal and with no friendly fighter escort.

I wonder how many planes they can round up in one strike package though.

The package q strike was conducted by nearly eighty aircraft in the gulf war and that was/is one of the biggest F-16 strikes in history, and the difficulty in coordination was one of the major reasons for its less than satisfactory outcome.

The big challenges in our hypothetical strike mission is whether the PLAAF can sortie enough planes (both strike and escort) which will test their logistics, and whether they can coordinate and manage them successfully against a highly capable enemy that will probably do its best to use soft and hard kill methods to interrupt your coordination efforts
 

SteelBird

Colonel
If both Images are at least based on a real JH-7B could it be that the first aircraft in yellow is a real new-build prototype, whereas 822 Looks like a refurbished older JH-7A. So this whole Project might be in fact a MLU-program.

Deino

The 822 only has the head session in yellow/green color, they change the head on an old JH-7?
 
Top