JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 News, Discussion & Media

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adeptitus

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vincelee said:
FC-1 does not even approach the air to ground capability of the F-16 BLK50.
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I agree with vince here. The block 50/52 (1991+) aircraft can use AGM-65 Mavrick, AGM-84 Harpoon, plus the new JDADM munitions. The Block 50D/52D variant can use AGM-88 HARM & AGM-45 Shrike missiles.

The avionics suite and radar make/model/specs on the FC-1/JF-17 is still highly speculative, so I won't do a comparison to the AN/APG-68. But if we compare the weapon suites on the FC-1, it's definately lacking in comparison to the F-16.
 
tphuang

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I have to say these Pakistani site need some better journalists. This time they managed to spell F-10 as FC-10, brilliant. It pretty much just reiterated what we already know.
Giving details about the meeting of National Command Authority, held with President General Pervez Musharraf in the chair, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said it allowed the purchase of F-16 aircraft from the US and high-tech aircraft from China.

He said the batch of F-16 aircraft would include "A & B" type (delivery of the same aircraft was denied by the US in 90s following Pressler amendments) and "C & D" modern versions.

The high-tech aircraft FC-10 type to be purchased from China would be in addition to the JF-17 (Thunder) aircraft being built jointly by Pakistan and China, he said.

Answering a question, he said that the country's nuclear capability fulfills the present as well as the future deterrence needs of national defence.
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SABRE

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I have to say these Pakistani site need some better journalists. This time they managed to spell F-10 as FC-10, brilliant. It pretty much just reiterated what we already know.
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What do u expect to happen when u keep an aircraft secret from media, specially of a foreign country. The worse thing is that the most of the major news media dnt have proper Defence Journalists. The are news letter and article righters on defence but not a single good journalist who have attachment to defence. The regular ones right what they are told and some of them are so dumb that they create a communication gap.

On Geo the news anchor referred J-10 as FC-10 while on field reporter referred to as F-10 and over night it turned into FC-20. Now may be Pakistan imports J-10 as F-20 (due to the reason i mentioned on DT and in J-10 thread here) but thats not a reason to give what ever names u like.
 
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FreeAsia2000

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SABRE said:
What do u expect to happen when u keep an aircraft secret from media, specially of a foreign country. The worse thing is that the most of the major news media dnt have proper Defence Journalists. The are news letter and article righters on defence but not a single good journalist who have attachment to defence. The regular ones right what they are told and some of them are so dumb that they create a communication gap.

On Geo the news anchor referred J-10 as FC-10 while on field reporter referred to as F-10 and over night it turned into FC-20. Now may be Pakistan imports J-10 as F-20 (due to the reason i mentioned on DT and in J-10 thread here) but thats not a reason to give what ever names u like.
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Has it occured to anybody that maybe this is just spin put out by the pakistani
government to cover up more important things happening at the moment.

That would be a better explanation of the incredibly misinformed nature of
this statement by the 'news journalists'

Buying the aircraft could help General Musharraf politically. Pakistani nationalists have questioned his support for the US-led war on terror, saying the US often benefits more from the relationship than Pakistan.
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I mean the numbers haven't been confirmed nor much else
 
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maglomanic

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I hope i am not double posting it.
It looks beautiful by the way, found it on PakDef.info (courtesy Munir)

Can anyone translate??

fc104rollout5vv.jpg
 
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KYli

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On april 11, JF17-4 has sucessfully tested their engine. The first flight timetable has set, and after the sucessful first flight the Jf17 will begin initial production. The JF17-4 is using domestic eletronic, and 04 has made a lot of modification from previous 01/02/03 models. Now 200 KG lighter and can carry 200 KG of more fuel, and improvements in ground support. And it set for first flight in a few days, that is about it.
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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Wait a minute...200kg lighter, despite the increased avionics weight? Chengdu must have put more composites in.

Btw, any have any idea what the jf-17s radar cross signature is going to be like? The size of an f-16s roughtly, or less?
 
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maglomanic

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If i am not wrong, nose cone is a bit flatter so improvement in the frontal RCS is possible(combine that with DSI).

Mig, what indicates that avionics weight has increased from what it used to be??

Kyli,
thanks for translation brother. Can you also translate the headline which seems to be saying something about F-16 if i am not wrong?
 
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MIGleader

MIGleader

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The pics, no duh. the new MFD sensors display information much more clearly, and displays more information altogether. Such evidence points to that the new control computer must have improved processing power, therefor bigger. It was like this for the j-7G, where its increased avionic weight forced engineers to take away a cannon.

Im not rulling out the fact processor technology has improved, though.
 
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maglomanic

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MIGleader said:
The pics, no duh. the new MFD sensors display information much more clearly, and displays more information altogether. Such evidence points to that the new control computer must have improved processing power, therefor bigger. It was like this for the j-7G, where its increased avionic weight forced engineers to take away a cannon.

Im not rulling out the fact processor technology has improved, though.
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Maybe and maybe not.

just a very crude way of looking at it would be to find the difference between the wieghts of a CPU clocking at few GHZ to one that housed old pentiums clocking at few hundred MHZ (all accessories exlcuding).

Unless they have added more sensors i wouldn't expect it to grow so far as to affect weight significantly.

The MFDs sound more of a reason for reduction in weight. Instead of mechanical dial systems (with dial display included) you have MFD showing all those displays on the screen.
 
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