JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Gloire_bb

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Well, I think the WS-13 "could" be more mature than the RD-93MA and the J-35 is IMO no option nor available and even more so off-topic
Engine without a single known serial installation v. engine working on hundreds of fighters between 3 countries?

I wonder.
 

Deino

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Engine without a single known serial installation v. engine working on hundreds of fighters between 3 countries?

I wonder.


Not the RD-93, I meant the alleged MA and at least via my contacts I heard, the PAF has lots of issues with supply chain related to maintenance for the RD-93.
 

gelgoog

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I am still suprised that they are going for the Su-35 given the poor performance of Russian avionics systems right now relative to Chinese systems, but then it is their money after all. China is miles ahead compared to Russia right now, suprised Iran does not recognise that !
China isn't exporting the J-20. They don't export Flankers either because they seem to have some sort of understanding with the Russians not to do it. Between the Su-35 and the J-10 which aircraft would you rather have? When you are already operating a heavy Teen Series aircraft like the F-14 going to the J-10 seems like a downgrade.

I would have rather waited until the Su-57, Su-75, and J-35 were available before committing to a purchase if I was Iran. But it seems they think they need aircraft now rather than later so this limits their choices.

However, Iran does need a platform to add "bulk" to their airforce though, and the JF17 could be a contender. Iran has finally copied the F5 entirely at home, but intodays war - the F5 clone does not go far. The F5 "clone" will always be a side project to advance their own industry until it reaches some level of maturity but Iran does need a capability increase given the age of their airforce and the threats they seem to be gathering.
If the Iranians want a light fighter, the Russians have the production line for the MiG-35 essentially idle at the moment.

I doubt that the Russians would try to block a sale of the JF-17, like you guys think might happen, since they haven't done this anywhere they could have. For example in Argentina the MiG-35 and JF-17 were both competing for a sale and they didn't try to block it.
 

Gloire_bb

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Not the RD-93, I meant the alleged MA and at least via my contacts I heard, the PAF has lots of issues with supply chain related to maintenance for the RD-93.
RD-93MA/RD-33MK is still installed on ~200 production aircraft, between mig-29K, mig-29M(2), and jf-17 blk.3.
i.e. it's a widely known quantity with significant export.
If the Iranians want a light fighter, the Russians have the production line for the MiG-35 essentially idle at the moment.
Mig-35 the light fighter weights empty way more than jf-17 at MTOW.
 

plawolf

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The JF17 may actually be a more mature multirole platform than the J10C, since the PLAAF has J16s, MKKs and JH7As for strike missions as well as its vast and growing UCAV fleets, it really doesn’t place great importance in adding strike capabilities to its J10s.

I think the JF17s existing integrated ASuW capabilities especially will be of great interest to Iran.

Another factor that may benefit the JF17 is engine compatibility and future proofing.

J10s have moved off AL31s to WS10s, even if China supplied new built J10s with AL31s, the model used in the J10 is different from those used in flankers.

With a JF17 purchase, Iran could potentially future proof itself in terms of engine maintenance if it also went for a future J31/35 purchase.

With Iran getting Su35s, it takes a lot of the pressure off it’s light/medium fighter purchase decision in terms of top-end performance, so good-enough may well be sufficient for their needs.
 
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