JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

by78

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JF-17s over Egypt.

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TheFuture_NoMore

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A JF-17 Block II armed with the French company Matra's (now MBDA) Durandal anti-runway penetration bombs. The runway's concrete slabs can be penetrated by its 15 kg warhead.

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Durandal anti-runway penetration bombs are an ANCIENT weapon for a bygone era - any use of that weapon in modern warfare against an airbase is a 100% loss of that JF17 ....
 

Sinnavuuty

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The Myanmar Air Force is facing problems operating JF-17 “Thunder” fighter jets acquired from Pakistan due to lack of adequate technical support.

According to BT Business Today, which cited anonymous sources, recently Min Aung Hlaing, a Burmese general and politician and current Prime Minister, expressed dissatisfaction with his Pakistani counterpart Shehbaz Sharif and Pakistan Army Chief of Staff Lt. General Asim Munir, for the combat aircraft received from 2019 to 2021 and which today would all be inoperative.

Of the 11 JF-17s, none were airworthy due to malfunctions and design flaws, and as of September 2022, Pakistani engineers sent to Myanmar have been unable to adequately resolve the problems. According to the publication's expert, even after the successful repair of the JF-17s, future operations will be problematic, as the Burmese Air Force would not have the necessary know-how to operate the aircraft due to a lack of personnel training.

Some time ago, Myanmar's military leadership planned to send technicians to Islamabad for training in JF-17 repair and maintenance, but for some unspecified reason this decision was canceled.

The JF-17 is a multifunctional fighter of the “4++ generation” born from the technical-military collaboration between the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chinese Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC), a company in the AVIC group that sells the same aircraft. with the 'FC-1 Xiaolong identifier.

The Thunder uses a Russian-designed but Chinese-made aircraft engine, the RD-93, and carries Western avionics in a Chinese-made fuselage. Given the sanctions against Myanmar, this factor would also have led to a significant increase in costs and the inability to properly operate and maintain Sino-Pakistani aircraft.
 

Atomicfrog

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How in the world do they think they can fly these airplanes without the adequate technical personnel... would be any fighter planes and they would have non flyable airplanes very fast.

Would be interesting to know more about these design flaws. They fly Mig-29 with rd-33, they have probably some know how on that engine family and be able to do something with the rd-93. So it as to be western avionics related ?
 

SanWenYu

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The Thunder uses a Russian-designed but Chinese-made aircraft engine, the RD-93, and carries Western avionics in a Chinese-made fuselage.
This does not sound right.

I don't think the Myanmar variant uses WS-13. As a matter of fact, it's well known that none of the production variants use "Russian-designed but Chinese-made" engines.

Regarding the avionics, the PAF variants might have a few western parts due to their preference but the major subsystems such as radar, HUD and FCS are known to be from China. You cannot call it "western avionics in a Chinese-made fuselage".

And it's very much impossible that Myanmar could have chosen the more expensive western avionics because, well, as the author said himself in the very next sentence, Myanmar is under sanctions by the West.

I have serious doubt on the original author's professionalism and perhaps honesty, too.
 

supersnoop

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This does not sound right.

I don't think the Myanmar variant uses WS-13. As a matter of fact, it's well known that none of the production variants use "Russian-designed but Chinese-made" engines.

Regarding the avionics, the PAF variants might have a few western parts due to their preference but the major subsystems such as radar, HUD and FCS are known to be from China. You cannot call it "western avionics in a Chinese-made fuselage".

And it's very much impossible that Myanmar could have chosen the more expensive western avionics because, well, as the author said himself in the very next sentence, Myanmar is under sanctions by the West.

I have serious doubt on the original author's professionalism and perhaps honesty, too.

Because I like to find out fake news:
In addition to the above discrepancies, this report is quoting "BT Business Today" which is an INDIAN publication

It also sounds awfully like a respin of this Irrawaddy article which made various dubious technical claims from "anonymous sources"
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The Irrawaddy is an anti junta publication which is probably trying to paint the current government as incompetent and tarnish their Chinese connections.

From the Irrawaddy:
Following the coup, the European Union imposed sanctions against the Myanmar military and arms brokers, and the Air Force now has no spare parts for the JF-17s, according to analysts and former pilots
Obviously this is completely nonsensical (and very similar to the BT/Italian article)

Other points to consider (that is consider all the connected reports to be complete rubbish/trash)
The trade embargo also makes it impossible for the Myanmar military regime to directly buy missiles and bombs for its JF-17s.
The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar
Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces


That last one is a doozy, I mean, what is flying after all?
 

Blitzo

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uhmmm, just realize, there are PL-15s but no PL-10, do we have any pictures that indicate jf-17 with PL-10?

We have an image of JF-17 Block III with PL-10 yes.

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In that picture posted by By78, the BVRAAMs are PL-12s, not PL-15s.


On the contrary I actually am not sure if we have any pictures of JF-17 Block III carrying PL-15 yet, though we know it is expected to be part of its weapons suite.
 
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