JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[nabil_05]

Huitong begs to differ. He thinks it's a variant of ws-13

 

[siegecrossbow]

Huitong begs to differ. He thinks it's a variant of ws-13

If it is the WS-13E then it is a good thing that they are putting it on a proven platform first for more field usage.

 

[Xizor]

Quite unlikely to be WS-13 since that was never intended to go into any PLAAF fighters and only quickly put together to pressure Russia into selling RD-93 engines to the Pakistani JF-17 back in the 2000s. The WS-13 I don't think has ever completed development or been properly funded since RD-93 supplies to Pakistan were inked.

A WS-19 (mid thrust class) engine for J-xy is anticipated. We know it isn't using the WS-10 or WS-15 and it sure isn't using the old WS-13. J-xy is anticipated but unless the engine for the 5th gen fighter is already long completed, is there really any chance China would approve it for use on the JF-17? It'll probably require extensive changes to block 3 which should be completed. The timelines simply do not work out. Therefore it is likely the engine if the rumour is true, is simply a new RD-93 variant.

If J-xy's WS-19 is ready before J-xy, this is both unlikely and it's also unlikely the JF-17 will feature this engine first particularly as unproven engine for a single engined fighter

WS-13's sole purpose was to ensure JF-17 has an engine no matter if Russia decides not to supply RD-93. Beyond this purpose, it has received no funding or completion of development that we know of. No PLAAF fighter is designed for the WS-13 engine.

Leaving only RD-93 new variant which was rumoured anyway. This also means no need for extensive redesign of JF-17 to integrate with WS-19 even if that engine is available now and considered by both China and Pakistan to be mature enough for single engine fighter. Completely impossible.

I think its more about WS-13E vs WS-19 for J-21/J-35/FC-31 than JF-17.

This might be an initiative led by engine developers themselves. A quick change in engines for JF-17 seems very unreasonable. RD-93MA is the powerplant for future JF-17s.

 

[asif iqbal]

I think there was talk from PAC stating that in future a new more powerful Russian engine will be used

this must be it

I agree its definitely not Chinese engine

PAC spent too long mastering the RD-93 to make a switch now

 

[JSL]

india's worst nightmare !!!

"Now, it is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Pakistani Air Force pilots flew JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK2 fighters, not the most advanced JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK3 fighters. Achieved a 6:2 air combat score against the legal "Rafale" fighter jets. This news is real, not fraudulent. This is definitely not good news for the Indian Air Force ."

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JF-17 DESTORY rafale !! 6-2 !!

Image what will J-20 or even J-10C do to indian's worthless air force ?

 

[JSL]

These aren't "news" channels. They're just youtubers repeating stuff they read on the internet.

The PAF does not discuss 'winning' training exercises in public. It's considered bad form and unprofessional behavior. Whoever started this rumor, it was probably a civilian. Whatever the parameters were during this exercise, I'm sure all friendly forces learned lessons and increased interoperability. That's the only point of these things.

As for dealing with Rafales in actual combat, where the hell is the Block III ?

You will get J-10C soon !!

Carry it on PAF !!

 

[siegecrossbow]

india's worst nightmare !!!

"Now, it is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Pakistani Air Force pilots flew JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK2 fighters, not the most advanced JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK3 fighters. Achieved a 6:2 air combat score against the legal "Rafale" fighter jets. This news is real, not fraudulent. This is definitely not good news for the Indian Air Force ."

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JF-17 DESTORY rafale !! 6-2 !!

Image what will J-20 or even J-10C do to indian's worthless air force ?

The 6:2 thing has been confirmed to be BS reporting that originated from a Taiwanese source.

 

[Maula Jatt]

The 6:2 thing has been confirmed to be BS reporting that originated from a Taiwanese source.

Aren't they anti-China?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Aren't they anti-China?

Yes but I’ll let you in on a secret. There are a lot of Chinese students studying abroad and in order to get clicks from those people, a lot of Taiwanese news networks create content that cater to this demographic. Even SanLi, which is a pan-Green news network that is about as anti-mainland/CCP as you can get, has a show that targets the PRC student demographics under the guise of showcasing that their news has differing political opinions. The fake news about Indian radars failing in Armenia during the Azerbaijian conflict in fact came from that Taiwanese show.

 

[Zahid]

If it is the WS-13E then it is a good thing that they are putting it on a proven platform first for more field usage.

Years ago I was told that WS-13E would be used on JF-17. Apparently it was more than just a way to pressure Russians into selling RD-93. I can not dismiss WS-13 just like that. In the last few years, however, Pakistan-Russia ties have improved just as India-US ties have grown stronger. So, in my view it is more likely that RD-93MA is being used; but WS-13E can not be discounted just yet.