JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[LawLeadsToPeace]

But it costs a lot more money to fly a JF-17 sortie. Not to mention the risk of crash/shoot down by enemy forces and death/capture of pilot.

For the risk of crashing, capture, or dying, you can argue that for the Russians in Syria, Americans in everywhere, Turks in Syria and Iraq, and etc. That risk will always be there for hard military ops and military personal in combat roles accept that. Finally as of now Boko Haram doesn’t field any aa weaponry. As long as Nigeria’s army practices combined arms warfare and has good leadership, they’ll be fine and can basically bomb the souls out of Boko Haram, assuming they have any, thanks to the much higher payload.

The money part is a different story.

 

[voyager1]

So either Nigeria just splurged a lot of money on a trophy weapon, or they are trying to build up serious conventional airforce.

I dont see any reasons why Nigeria woudnt buy an advanced fighter jet. A country as big as Nigeria needs to have a proper conventional force.

So while Boko Haram obviously remains a priority, Nigeria will not stay put with just drones.

Better to get the fighter jets and use them to bomb Boko Haram in order to get experience for its pilots, doctrine, operations, logistics etc

So they would have a ready training opportunity with bombing the terrorists. The drones will remain the most used platform but the fighter jets will compliment them and also get operational experience

 

[SteelBird]

But it costs a lot more money to fly a JF-17 sortie. Not to mention the risk of crash/shoot down by enemy forces and death/capture of pilot.

True, when you use something, there is a cost and risk. But what do you buy it for? I'm not sure if Nigeria has armed drone or not. You know I don't follow all info that closely thus sometime lack of info. However, from a view of point of a businessman, you buy something, you'd hope to use it when you need it. For the case of Nigeria when buying JF-17, if Nigeria gets intel where the stronghold of Boko Haram is, smash it with the hammer of the Thunder! I remember when India claimed Pakistan's F-16 not allowed to use outside its territory, Pakistan replied with "why buying an aircraft if you cannot use it?".

 

[siegecrossbow]

True, when you use something, there is a cost and risk. But what do you buy it for? I'm not sure if Nigeria has armed drone or not. You know I don't follow all info that closely thus sometime lack of info. However, from a view of point of a businessman, you buy something, you'd hope to use it when you need it. For the case of Nigeria when buying JF-17, if Nigeria gets intel where the stronghold of Boko Haram is, smash it with the hammer of the Thunder! I remember when India claimed Pakistan's F-16 not allowed to use outside its territory, Pakistan replied with "why buying an aircraft if you cannot use it?".

They operate the CH-3 and recently, Wingloong II.

 

[lcloo]

They operate the CH-3 and recently, Wingloong II.

Right. There is no question of why Nigeria is not buying drones to fight insurgency. Drones and manned fighter jets compliment each other, and Nigeria is just doing that.

 

[SteelBird]

To conclude: since Nigeria has received at least 3 planes of the JF-17, I hope they'll put it in actual combat against Boko Haram. So their pilots gain experience from combat and the JF-17 will also earns its reputation to be combat proven.

As for Argentina is discussing to procure up to 12 JF-17, I heard that Argentina is asking too much for China to agree. Maybe the deal will fall through.

 

[voyager1]

As for Argentina is discussing to procure up to 12 JF-17, I heard that Argentina is asking too much for China to agree. Maybe the deal will fall through.

Hes there been any new development?
AFAIR the most recent was that a Chinese delegation visited Argentine's aerospace manufacturing facilities to see how possible it was to have some local manufacturing (assembly?)

In any case, if Argentine requests anything more than straight up assembly then I dont think the Chinese would accept that for such a "small" order of 12 JF-17s. Make that at least 50 and then we can talk

 

[plawolf]

What could the JF-17 do against the Boko Haram that the Wingloong/CH-3/4 couldn't?

Rapid reaction missions.

A supersonic jet fighter can get on station faster than a prop UCAV. That could be the difference between getting to a fight as it’s still ongoing as opposed to arriving after the smoke has settled.

 

[SteelBird]

Hes there been any new development?
AFAIR the most recent was that a Chinese delegation visited Argentine's aerospace manufacturing facilities to see how possible it was to have some local manufacturing (assembly?)

In any case, if Argentine requests anything more than straight up assembly then I dont think the Chinese would accept that for such a "small" order of 12 JF-17s. Make that at least 50 and then we can talk

So far as I know, the conditions that Argentina asks for which I think difficult for China to accept (correct me if I'm wrong):
1. Argentina want block 3 with PL-10 and PL-15 which installed on J-20
2. China ask for 50m per aircraft, Argentina want a big bargain (best specs with bargain price)
3. Argentina ask for local production line.

 

[Gloire_bb]

Not to mention the risk of crash/shoot down by enemy forces and death/capture of pilot.

For all propaganda downsides of planes going down, it's guys on the ground who pay for this reluctance.
When any weapon becomes a dreadnought-like national heritage instead of a weapon of war - it's time to question what you are doing.