JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Lethe

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The reluctance of South American nations to consider otherwise overwhelmingly suitable Chinese hardware solutions demonstrates the essentially frivolous character of these nation's armed forces. A navy that would prioritise its self-image as "western" in character over the objective realities of capabilities and budgets is not a navy at all -- it's a yacht club.
 
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voyager1

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The reluctance of South American nations to consider otherwise overwhelmingly suitable Chinese hardware solutions demonstrates the essentially frivolous character of these nation's armed forces. A navy that would prioritise its self-image as "western" in character over the objective realities of capabilities and budgets is not a navy at all -- it's a yacht club.
I dont think their armed forces get priority there. They have their own significant economic problems. IMO their top priority will be the economic costs of procuring these fighter jets

If China comes up with a good financial package then I dont see why S.American nations wont jump in to buy these jets (sans any US interference ofc)
 

Semi-Lobster

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The reluctance of South American nations to consider otherwise overwhelmingly suitable Chinese hardware solutions demonstrates the essentially frivolous character of these nation's armed forces. A navy that would prioritise its self-image as "western" in character over the objective realities of capabilities and budgets is not a navy at all -- it's a yacht club.
Changing what military equipment your country uses is not as simple as turning on and off a light switch, military infrastructure and procurement have many hidden costs beyond the initial inked contract price. Logistics such as creating new supply chains, retrofitting existing infrastructure, essentially retraining not just pilots but ground crew and other auxiliary staff on new systems is very expensive and until very recently Chinese military equipment was basically completely incompatible with Western systems without massive additional military expenditure, and all that is just the realities on the ground.

The political shadow of the US looms large over all of South America, the ongoing-legacy of the Monroe Doctrine in Latin America means the US have constant diplomatic pressure on South American governments to 'toe the line'. Political organizations such as the Lima Group are evidence of America's policies to punish countries that attempt to change American influence and this extends especially in military circles, which are trained and have strong personal ties to the US. Other, more direct responses are outright sanctions. For example the JF-17 deal could fall apart on its own if, for example the 'Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act' is invoked over the JF-17s Russian based components such as its engine.
 

silentlurker

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Agreed, there are almost certainly some hidden costs we don't know about. Something also worth considering is that China is much further physically away then the US. This means that purchasing spare parts will potentially take longer, meaning the need for larger stockpiles of backup components.
 

siegecrossbow

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Any chance the Russians would withhold the sales of RD-93 engines (to the JF-17) should the Mig-35 lose the bid, similar to what the Ukrainians did when the T-84 lost the bid to the VT-2 tanks for the Peruvian Army?

I’d worry more about the US blocking it through CAATSA via Russian engines. Chances of Argentina risking CAATSA to purchase a Russian fighter is slim. Should the Russians block the engine export, they’d not only lose the engine money but sour relations with China.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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What makes you think the US wouldn't expand CAATSA to Chinese weapons if they gained significant market share?
Remember what happened when FD-2000 won the competition in Turkey several years ago.
Didn't the sale not go through because the Chinese didn't want to transfer their technology to Turkey, who wanted to achieve self reliance in the defense sector?
 
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