JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

taxiya

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Model number suggest this is Revision 2. Made 2 years ago.
Not really. I guess you are talking about the last picture. That is the processor module which is the same already used in JF-17(FC-1). This new version replaced the antenna array (front end) with air-cooled AESA which is very recent. It is the 2nd picture whose date of manufacturing is not clear.

I also suspect that the "-02" that you suggest being "revision 2" is actually 2nd part of whole system. I can see on the antenna array "-xx" which I suspect to be "-01" meaning the 1st part.
 
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MastanKhan

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I am surprised no one has posted this info here--- @Akasa on pdf has posted this info---giving credit to-----

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According to Henri K., the new version of the KLJ-7A radar has three arrays (one front, two facing the sides), thereby allowing the JF-17 to scan to the sides & additionally to the back.

More information is expected to be revealed in the next couple of days as the airshow in Zhuhai officially opens. Of course, power consumption would likely be increased but the JF-17 is also slated for newer & more capable powerplants in the near future.
 

pashah.

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With the new AESA radar some 150-200 JF-17 'Block 3+' would be a nice fit for PLAAF ORBAT, helping to provide point defence/air policing in certain sectors (replacing J-7 and, to lesser degree, longer-ranged J-8) whilst also providing some CAS capability to replace the capabilities that the Q-5 used to provide. Think of air policing along the border with Myanmar, Laos, Mongolia, etc.
 

Dfangsaur

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With the new AESA radar some 150-200 JF-17 'Block 3+' would be a nice fit for PLAAF ORBAT, helping to provide point defence/air policing in certain sectors (replacing J-7 and, to lesser degree, longer-ranged J-8) whilst also providing some CAS capability to replace the capabilities that the Q-5 used to provide. Think of air policing along the border with Myanmar, Laos, Mongolia, etc.
The ground crews or pilots have no experience with JF-17 at all, so why not just use J-10? maybe upgrade old ones. Building brand spanking new JF-17 right now does not seem to be a good use of resources.
 

ougoah

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Indeed would be cheaper and more efficient to just go with slightly more expensive J-10s with streamlined logistics and common engines with rest of PLAAF backbone fighters. J-10s have bigger PESAs and AESAs albeit less modern but nothing's stopping upgrades. In fact this is pretty much J-10's job. PLAAF needs more range and payload than JF-17 can offer. J-10 gives it that slight edge while being a more common and more familiar fighter for PLAAF. No way PLAAF will induct JF-17. Now's the time to rush for 6th gen and UCAVs along with honing new methods and equipment for air combat. 4th gens are properly obsolete at the cutting edge and although all of them will remain the backbone for all airforces including USAF, inducting new unfamiliar ones at this point is simply impossible.
 

Franklin

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New AESA radra for the JF-17 confirmed.

VIDEO: China intent on AESA radar upgrades


Chinese Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars are in evidence at this year’s Airshow China, both for fighters and a potential carrier capable airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft.

At its stand, China Electronics Technology Group (CETC) displayed a model of its KLJ-7A AESA radar, which was developed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET).

While the KLJ-7A, which appears aimed the Chengdu JF-17, first appeared in 2016, the company also displayed a new AESA set. Unlike the KLJ-7A, which requires a mechanical arm to move the array, the new set is fixed on slanted panel. It also features arrays looking to either side.

In March, Hu Mingchun told the China Daily that the KLJ-7A AESA will be installed on the JF-17.

"Our product will tremendously extend the fighter jet's detection range, giving it a much longer sight that will help it detect the enemy's aircraft before they do, and this is very important because in real combat if you see first, you fire first," says Hu.

AVIC, meanwhile, is promoting what it claims to be the world’s first air-cooled active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for combat aircraft.

The system was developed by Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute as an upgrade for existing second and third generation fighters. A company video shows that the type can be quickly installed on the Chengdu JF-17 Thunder.

Other applications could include legacy J-10s in service with the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

An AVIC official says the airflow for cooling the radar comes from the aircraft’s environmental control system. This apparently obviates the need for drag-inducing ducting around the aircraft’s nose.

The radar operates in the X band and weighs 145kg. It can detect a fighter-sized target at 170km. It can track 15 targets simultaneously and engage four at the same time. It also has a surface search function. AVIC claims that it has a “strong anti-jamming capability.”

An official with the JF-17 programme said that different AESA options for the JF-17 are being weighed, with no decisions as yet.


In addition, CETC displayed a small model of its KLC-7, a spinning AESA array apparently for use aboard a twin-engined airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft similar to the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye.

A video in the CETC stand showed an aircraft equipped with the KLC-7 directing an engagement against a group of enemy fighters that resemble the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet.

A twin-engined AEW&C could eventually be developed for use aboard China’s planned fleet of aircraft carriers.

CETC also showed what it claims is a model of a prototype quantum radar. Such a radar relies on two streams of entangled photons. One beam is transmitted in the form of microwaves, the other remains in the system – the idler beam. The returned signal is converted back into photons, and a comparison made with the idler beam.

Such a radar would be revolutionary, as it would be able to see low observable aircraft, and be impervious to electromagnetic clutter.

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Dizasta1

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New AESA radra for the JF-17 confirmed.
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So wait, am I reading this right that the JF-17 Thunder program has two or more AESA radars to choose from? And that the KLJ-7A has mechanical arm that slants the radar plate? Does the other AESA option do away with the mechanical arm?

It would be safe to presume that the AESA radars for the Thunders will include the Block-l & Block-lls. Unless of course the weight of the radar is greater or less than the KLJ-7s currently installed in Block-ls & Block-lls. Because if it does figure into a fleet wide upgrade, it would present Pakistan Air Force with a tremendous capability, with more than half of its fighter fleet equipped with AESAs.

With regards to the KLC-7, is there or would there be an AESA option for the Karakoram Eagle AEWs to upgrade? Because Pakistan Air Force is said to own and operate four such AEWs.
 
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