JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[ougoah]

But it still won't carry as much weight. It won't loiter around as much and do as much in the air. I'm not saying it is a bad platform, far from it. In one aspect it is on par with later block F-16s. Other parameters are compromised somewhat for cost benefits and they are compromised in a way that is fine for PAF. It's still a fine fighter and a versatile one too. Actually the custom fit for PAF makes it the most effective fighter for Pakistan. Like you said, it doesn't really require great range and even now has refuel ability. Fit in some advanced avionics comparable to late fourth gen fighters (only downside is size and range available) and JF-17 is a good competitor in Gripen's league. Although probably outclassed by Gripen, it is much cheaper. Only PAF operators know exactly how capable this fighter is though.

 

[Deino]

Again all wrong, you are just debating for sake of debating

I am talking about F16 specifically inside PAF scope not world wide overall capability

Inside PAF JF17 Block III wins hands down

Only lead 52+ has is the sniper targeting pod, the ability to hit moving targets

ASELSAN completes that job for Block III

To admit, now I'm really getting angry; it's you who is wrong and who wants to be right for the sake of debating, since You are either not willing or able to read and understand my post.

@timepass made a general statement that I can easily requote:

>> Some of the upgrades to be expected in the JF-17 Thunder twin seat variant. Pakistan Airforce will equip these new fighters with the cutting edge ASELPOD all weather targeting system which will bring its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+ . . .

It was a general statement. If he would have said "for the PAF" no-one would disagree and debate, but as a general statement it is wrong and to admit a typical "fan-boy PakDefForum-style post"

Therefore I asked to "calm down a bit and stay realistic".

Sorry to say so, but following your last posts it seems as if you are more interested in hyping and playing Quartetts game instead of a rational discussion. Again that type is a fine platform, a tremendous, incredible achievement for Pakistan and its aviation industry, a prime testimony for the Sino-Pakistani friendship but it is what is is: a lightweight multirole fighter, that gives probably best bang for the bug, but it does not play in the same league as the F-16, J-10 and other medium-weight fighters.

Deino

 

[Deino]

@asif iqbal ... I'm really shocked !

So much or ignorance, arrogance and ranting I would never expected .. esp. from you. Why?? Not in the mood to read and understand my posts or just in the mood for a Penis-contest?

So just one kind reminder: Calm your tone.

1. it is a thread or section on "Chinese Military - Airforce", so to pretend it is "ONLY" a PAF-related thread is nonsense. If you think so, then you should post such stuff in the Pakistan thread. And by the way I made perfectly clear that I understood his post as a general statement, ... so no need to further insist; a simple kind reminder would be fine and in fact I agree with you: With the note "in PAF" it makes perfectly sense.

2. you simply don't care about any of my replies and what I say. Instead you want to pretent you are correct, the JF-17 is or will be better than a Block 52+. ... therefore again: a simple kind reminder would be fine and in fact I agree with you: With the note "in PAF" it makes perfectly sense.

3. if this would be a rational discussion you would name arguments, mention specific data ... but nothing: only name-calling and pretending you might be correct. IMO not the way we want to discuss here and a way we accept discussions at the SDF.

Best,
Deino

 

[asif iqbal]

We have nothing do disagree on

Let’s look forward to Block III

 

[FORBIN]

the JF-17 is or will be better than a Block 52+

F-16 Block 52+ clearly more capable for A2G missions more big and more big weapons load 7.7 tons vs 3.6 11 HPs vs 7 ... in more have a more large panoply for range with CFTs CR in average 1150 km vs 1000 which is for a small fighter very good ! more close for A2A combat but F-16 can to be armed with easy 6 AAMS, JF-17 only 4.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Type KLJ-7A airborne fire control radar installed on the Y-7 testbed tests the ability to detect multiple targets.

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[SteelBird]

We have nothing do disagree on

Let’s look forward to Block III

What changes do you expect on Block III?

 

[Dizasta1]

Asif has a valid point, for Pakistan Air Force "specifically" there is no question that the JF-17 Thunder holds greater importance and value than the F-16s, Block-52s or otherwise. No doubt that F-16s are very capable aircraft, which have proven track record. But when it comes to Pakistan Air Force, the JF-17 Thunder is way more important to it than the Block-52s. Had there been no restrictions imposed by America, and Pakistan Air Force was able to truly concentrate it's power base on F-16s. Than the Central Asian neighborhood would've been totally different since the 1980s. In terms of capabilities, even with Block-lls, the Thunders do not match Block-52's capabilities. But then that's the whole point of the JF-17 Thunders. For Pakistan Air Force to develop, improve and one day surpass the capabilities offered by the Block-52s, with JF-17 Thunder's future blocks.

IFR, IRST, AESA, HOBS, HMD, up-rated engines, greater air-frame surface area for longer range and heavier payloads, are all aspects of Thunders that we can expect in future Blocks of this aircraft.

Ever ask a Pakistani about this, and he/she will tell you that, "you can't put a price on freedom!!"

 

[defenceman]

Hi can jf17 with present engine capacity & full load could carry CFT with it any learned member can
Please shed some light on it
Thank you

 

[Deino]

There is no CFT available for the JF-17 and AFAIK also none in the planning for Block 03.