JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Deino]

>> Some of the upgrades to be expected in the JF-17 Thunder twin seat variant. Pakistan Airforce will equip these new fighters with the cutting edge ASELPOD all weather targeting system which will bring its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+ . . .

Brrrr .... calm down a bit and stay realistic.

First of all I don't want to down-rate this type but I'm a bit annoyed by all the hype some fan-boys do around it. Even with top-notch avionics it is still not and will never ever be in the same league of the latest F-16D Block 52+.

It is a light-weight type with limited range, engines power and weapons capability... period.

Deino

 

[asif iqbal]

Brrrr .... calm down a bit and stay realistic.


It is a light-weight type with limited range, engines power and weapons capability... period.

Deino

I don’t remember anyone saying it was a heavy weight long range bomber

Pakistan has very little strategic depth they do not need a long ranger fighter, in PAF JF17 is equivalent to F16

 

[Deino]

I don’t remember anyone saying it was a heavy weight long range bomber

Pakistan has very little strategic depth they do not need a long ranger fighter, in PAF JF17 is equivalent to F16

Again ... I never said anything related to a "heavy weight long range bomber", which is surely false, but he said it would be for "its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+", which is also wrong.

 

[Zahid]

JF-17 excels in:

1. Cost to own.
2. Cost to operate.
3. Fast turn-around time & higher sortie rates.
4. Upgradeability.
5. Number & variety of weapons that it can and will use.

1-3 are down to its smaller size, which is a strength and not a weakness. Design also figures in this, but only because the fighter has been purposely kept at a smaller size.

PAF has achieved an engine change in as low as 45 minutes. That says something about this bird. Had PAF gone for a twin-engined behemoth, this would be impossible to achieve with a small crew.

 

[Deino]

Pardon to say so ... point 1-3 are irrelevant to the discussed issue as that "its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+" and point 4-5 are at least debateable...

Again, I don't want to downplay this type not to downrate its capabilities, but to say it is better than "the F-16 C/D Block 52+" is a wrong just in the mentioned points 6-p I mentioned above, which some simply prefer to ignore.

Deino

 

[asif iqbal]

Again ... I never said anything related to a "heavy weight long range bomber", which is surely false, but he said it would be for "its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+", which is also wrong.

Incorrect

In terms of strike it would be on par with F16 C/D Block 52+

As a matter of fact even better since JF17 has aireal fuelling longer loiter time and ZDK-03 AWACS integration

F16 in PAF has neither

 

[Deino]

Incorrect

In terms of strike it would be on par with F16 C/D Block 52+

Come on .... the F-16 Block 52+ can carry more weapons at longer range and is a matured system for presission strike since decades, whereas you are taling about "will be, can be, should be or would be", since by now none of these so much advanced systems are integrated already.

By the way, this is maybe the answer ...

As a matter of fact even better since JF17 has aireal fuelling longer loiter time and ZDK-03 AWACS integration
F16 in PAF has neither

Again ... since when has the F-16 no IFR-capability or lacks the ability to interact with AEW??? It's an issue for the Pakitsani F-16s but not for the F-16 as a n aircraft. And since he generalised, he is wrong.

And now back to the topic.

Deino

 

[ougoah]

JF-17 is at best a cost conscious and domesticated (no restraints from outside powers) alternative to F-16 late blocks. They are not superior to. F-16 has greater range (even if unnecessary), greater payload, and more room for more sophisticated electronics. I don't think anyone doubts the usefulness of JF-17 to PAF. It is probably more effective than their F-16s depending on the semantics. But to say it's a superior strike platform is at best unfounded.

 

[Deino]

JF-17 is at best a cost conscious and domesticated (no restraints from outside powers) alternative to F-16 late blocks. They are not superior to. F-16 has greater range (even if unnecessary), greater payload, and more room for more sophisticated electronics. I don't think anyone doubts the usefulness of JF-17 to PAF. It is probably more effective than their F-16s depending on the semantics. But to say it's a superior strike platform is at best unfounded.

Amen to this !

Again that type is a fine platform, a tremendous, incredible achievement for Pakistan and its aviation industry, a prime testimony for the Sino-Pakistani friendship but it is what is is: a lightweight multirole fighter, that gives probably best bang for the bug, but it does not play in the same league as the F-16, J-10 and other medium-weight fighters.

Deino

 

[asif iqbal]

Again all wrong, you are just debating for sake of debating

I am talking about F16 specifically inside PAF scope not world wide overall capability

Inside PAF JF17 Block III wins hands down

Only lead 52+ has is the sniper targeting pod, the ability to hit moving targets

ASELSAN completes that job for Block III