asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Word on the street that JF17B dual seat to be unveiled by end of 2016
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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asif iqbal
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Dizasta1
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To say that JF-17 is a complimentary combat aircraft for Pakistan Air Force, is an inaccurate assessment. Air combat consists of many variables, involves a plethora of conditions which have a direct impact on the performance, capability and victory or defeat in a fight.
If one were to assess the JF-17 Thunder, in context of Pakistan Air Force, within the air space of Pakistan. Taking into account the geographical length and breadth of Pakistan. It is fair to say that the size and endurance of the JF-17 Thunder is sufficient to fulfill it's role as a combat aircraft, defending Pakistan's air space.
JF-17s primary role must have been envisaged as Air Defense and Air Superiority fighter, over Pakistan's air space. The aircraft provides Pakistan Air Force with a very decent capability, at a cost which affordable to the country. Needless to say, that this is Pakistan's first foray into combat aircraft manufacturing. As such, JF-17 Thunder is an excellent first venture. Providing Pakistan Air Force with a vast canvas to further tweek and develop this aircraft.
There is an enormous potential in working with our Chinese partners to further define JF-17 Thunder's role and capabilities. In terms of avionics, radars, air-to-air missiles and self-defense suite. These are areas where Pakistan has the potential to establish a home grown industry which can customize the Thunder further into Pakistan specific aircraft. In the same breath, also allow development of software which will interface with new capabilities that are in development for JF-17 Thunders.
25% increase in surface area for Thunders is a likely possibility. If the requirements are identified by Pakistan Air Force, in the future. It hinges on the prospects of whether the JF-17 Thunders are envisaged to carry out deep-strike missions. For which range would directly depend on the quantity of fuel an aircraft can carry. Another need to increase the surface area of the JF-17 Thunders, is to increase number of weapons' stations, in order to carry heavier or increased number of stand-off weapons.
At present, JF-17 requires prioritized development. Specifically, to seek out means to increase the efficiency and endurance of its power-plant. Fuel efficiency in a power-plant, without sacrificing thrust, is one avenue that Pakistan Air Force ought to be exploring. As the saying goes, "A car is only as good as it's engine." So to with combat aircraft, where the power-plant is one of the major components that determines the aircraft's capability.
In my opinion, improved efficiency and performance of power-plant is of greater importance for JF-17 Thunders, than an increase surface area. It is a far better approach in the further development of the aircraft, at a cost which is more feasible and realistic, for Pakistan.
As for J-10s, and why Pakistan Air Force is not moving forward with its acquisition of the aircraft. Only argument to support this would be a financial one. As it is quite apparent that a lot of resources have been poured into the development of the JF-17 Thunders. Ideally, J-10s would be the perfect primary combat aircraft along with JF-17 Thunders. However, we do not live in an ideal world, nor does Pakistan have the luxury of unlimited resources to acquire a new type of combat aircraft, while also developing and manufacturing one on its own.
J-10s are a prime example of Chinese aeronautical engineering. It is a magnificent combat aircraft with tremendous capabilities. And if circumstances were to change economically for Pakistan. The J-10s would be their first choice as high-end fighter.
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MastanKhan
Junior Member
@Dizasta1
Hi,
Your aircraft means nothing by itself----it is always in relation to the strenghts---weaknesses---abilities and capabilities of the enemy aircraft---and its other complimentary assets---.
When you are looking at the COSTS in matters of weapons superiority---then one should bury their heads where there is no light---.
A prime minister made a massive weapons deal when the nation was extremely poor and at a financial loss----there was a lots of criticism on the PM---but the PM never replied---.
After the retirement---when a writer interviewing the PM for a Biography---this same question was asked----" why you spent so much money on weapons purchase when the economy of the country was in shambles "---.
The retd prime replied---I read the life history of Prophet Mohammad----at the time of his death---there was no money to buy oil for the lamp---His wife Ayesha mortgaged a shield to buy oil------but there were 9 swords hanging on the walls of His house---. That was my inspiration.
"
Meir knew about their stand, and said, "Your doubt are well founded, but if we win this war, and defeat the Arabs, history will remember us as the victors, and in history, once a community is know as the victor, it forgets how many eggs they ate and how many times they had food. Whether there was jam, honey, butter on the table, and how many holes they had in their shoes. Or whether the sheaths of their swords were new or old! A conqueror is a conqueror."
Based on Meir's solid logic, the Israeli cabinet approved the deal. Later it was proved that the decision taken by Meir was right, and the whole world witnessed the Jews knocking on the doors of the Arabs with this artillery. A war took place, and the Arabs faced a shameful defeat at the hands of an old lady.
After a gap of one decade after the war, a reporter of the Washington Post interviewed Meir, asking "Was the logic you had in your mind for the arms was spur of the moment decision or you had had an advance strategy?"
Meir's reply was very surprising.
She answered, "I got this logic from the prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqua) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.
When I read this account, it occurred to me- how many people in the world would have known about the worst economic condition of Islamic state? But everyone recognizes them as conquerors of half the world. So I decided that I would buy arms at any cost; even if we would have to starve or to live in camps instead of buildings, but we would prove ourselves as the victor".
Hi,
Your aircraft means nothing by itself----it is always in relation to the strenghts---weaknesses---abilities and capabilities of the enemy aircraft---and its other complimentary assets---.
When you are looking at the COSTS in matters of weapons superiority---then one should bury their heads where there is no light---.
A prime minister made a massive weapons deal when the nation was extremely poor and at a financial loss----there was a lots of criticism on the PM---but the PM never replied---.
After the retirement---when a writer interviewing the PM for a Biography---this same question was asked----" why you spent so much money on weapons purchase when the economy of the country was in shambles "---.
The retd prime replied---I read the life history of Prophet Mohammad----at the time of his death---there was no money to buy oil for the lamp---His wife Ayesha mortgaged a shield to buy oil------but there were 9 swords hanging on the walls of His house---. That was my inspiration.
"
Meir knew about their stand, and said, "Your doubt are well founded, but if we win this war, and defeat the Arabs, history will remember us as the victors, and in history, once a community is know as the victor, it forgets how many eggs they ate and how many times they had food. Whether there was jam, honey, butter on the table, and how many holes they had in their shoes. Or whether the sheaths of their swords were new or old! A conqueror is a conqueror."
Based on Meir's solid logic, the Israeli cabinet approved the deal. Later it was proved that the decision taken by Meir was right, and the whole world witnessed the Jews knocking on the doors of the Arabs with this artillery. A war took place, and the Arabs faced a shameful defeat at the hands of an old lady.
After a gap of one decade after the war, a reporter of the Washington Post interviewed Meir, asking "Was the logic you had in your mind for the arms was spur of the moment decision or you had had an advance strategy?"
Meir's reply was very surprising.
She answered, "I got this logic from the prophet (of the Muslims) Mohammed (peace be upon him). When I was a student, my favorite topic was comparative study of religions. Those days I studied the life of Mohammed (PBUH). One author stated that when Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) died, there was not enough money to buy oil for a lamp, his wife (Ayesha Siddiqua) mortgaged his battle shield to buy oil, yet there were nine swords hung on the wall of his house.
When I read this account, it occurred to me- how many people in the world would have known about the worst economic condition of Islamic state? But everyone recognizes them as conquerors of half the world. So I decided that I would buy arms at any cost; even if we would have to starve or to live in camps instead of buildings, but we would prove ourselves as the victor".
