JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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I wonder if the guests were petrify when the commentator in the video 2:47 mark saids "The first formation nuclear-lize the targets." *lol* He probably meant to say neutralize the targets.
In this case, "atomize" is probably the better word.
An honest question, what does it matter if the PAF uses the JF-17 in its COIN ops or not? The country isn't waging a stand off against another country, why would the F-16s and Army's Cobras not be sufficient enough for current operational needs in the COIN theatre? The fact that the fighter is deployed on active general duty (at Peshawar AB) is a good sign.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
Not to mention that Pakistan produces the PAC MFI-17 Mushshak, of which an upgraded version might provide a better true COIN platform. Just because nations whose weapons procurement strategies are intended primarily to enrich friends of friends use jets in this role, developing nations need not follow down their path of using jets in the COIN domain, a domain in which developing nations will engage, by necessity, far more frequently than will those developed nations. As I've suggested before, the Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano is, in my opinion, not only the best available option for developing nations' COIN needs, but is, in fact, the best available option for the COIN domain, period. The MFI-17 Mushshak may not be an EMB 314 Super Tucano, but an upgraded Super Musharak might provide a viable option and avenue of development.
Ahhh, little did I know that the Super Musharak already exists. Oh well, maybe a Super Duper Musharak?
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Blackstone
Brigadier
Let's see now, PAC and CAC showcase Thunders as highly capable, multi-role, mission-flexible 4-gen fighters at exceptional value. If Pakistan can't show they could conduct COIN missions, why would nations like Nigeria and Saudi Arabia want to buy them? PAC officials telling Saudi and Nigerian generals "we can't show you evidence of precision strikes in actual combat, but trust us, JF-17s can get it done" doesn't sound reassuring at all.
Indeed. I think in the long term the Pakistani military will pursue COIN operations with the use of attack
What would stop them from just demonstrating it during an exercise or weapons trial program?
Well man PAF does not release info publically. But that does not mean that the info will not be shared with the potential customers.
and as for your question that has it been tested in NWA operation? answer is a simple yes.
the source for this "yes" is a friend of mine who is a JF-17 pilot.
Real combat experience would be nice, but I don't think it is a decisive factor in the decision-making process of most air forces. For one thing, the PAF can demo the JF-17's weapon systems via live trialing and exercises.
Blackstone
Brigadier
The whole point of buying Thunders or any other fighter is for national defense and prosecute battle plans in combat. So, whether they could perform as advertised in combat is one of the primary reasons for their purchase.
Blackstone
Brigadier
I waive a magic wand, and *poof* you're now Air Marshal Saqr of the Royal Saudi Air Force. Would you be happy enough with PAC demonstrating precision strikes in a controlled environment, or would you rather see evidence from actual combat? Keep in mind there are plenty of used F-16s out there for your air force.