JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Hendrik_2000

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Here is the Russian media spin on the subject
Russian combat aircraft maker fear competition from China
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20:07 05/07/2010MOSCOW, July 5 (RIA Novosti) - Russian aircraft makers MiG and Sukhoi have spoken against the sale of RD-93 jet engines to China citing the threat of strong competition from cheaper Chinese models of fighter aircraft.

Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport planned to sign a contract with China on the delivery of 100 RD-93 engines for FC-1 fighters, which are direct competitors of the famed MiG-29 Fulcrum aircraft.

Mikhail Pogosyan, the head of the MiG and Sukhoi corporations, said the re-export of technologies must be approved by the original manufacturers to avoid unfair competition.

The FC-1 Xiaolong (Fierce Dragon) is a single-engine multi-role fighter aircraft developed jointly by China and Pakistan. It is designated as JF-17 Thunder by Pakistan.

A Russian aircraft industry source said the FC-1 is inferior to MiG-29 in performance, but sells for about $10 million, while the price of a MiG-29 is about $35 mln.

MiG-29s are currently competing with FC-1s in an Egyptian tender on the delivery of 32 fighters. In addition, Egypt has launched negotiations with Pakistan on the licensed production of FC-1 aircraft.

Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) approved the re-export of RD-93 engines to Egypt as part of the FC-1 fighter package in November 2007.

Rosoboronexport has said a decision to allow the re-export of technology could be made only by the government, and the manufacturers have never been consulted on the issue.

Russian weapons manufacturers are also facing increasing competition from China on other arms markets.

Russian S-300 and Chinese HQ-9 air defense systems have been competing in a Turkish tender since 2007.

Russian and Chinese armored personnel carriers competed in an Indonesian tender in 2007.

In 2009, Myanmar chose Russian Mig-29s over Chinese J-10s and FC-1s.

Russia has also accused China of producing its own copycat versions of some Russian-made weaponry, including the Su-27SK fighter jet, in violation of intellectual property agreements.
 

MastanKhan

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Then you are slapping yourself right at your own face.

Why?

First you say China is incapable of mass producing modern engine, then when pointed out that is a flawed logic, you argued that mass production means producing of large number of engine (says... 100units). Which I again find the logic flawed and is kind enough to give you some links.

Now you are nitpicking into my thread, saying that J-11B and J-15 all uses WS-10A. Which is proof of what I have said is correct. The ENGINE ARE ALREADY CERTIFIED FOR MASS PRODUCTION! And it had been in mass production! Maybe not by the hundreds... And there is a simple reason behind it... there is not that much of airframe to fit in!

SO could you please stop portraying China in the worst possible shape?


Sir,

I believe that you need to dig a little deeper----for china---factory certified is not the same as flight certified. If I remember it corrdctly---chinese engines play the russian roullette while in flight----.

Would like some knowledgable members to correct me. Thanks.
 

rhino123

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Sir,

I believe that you need to dig a little deeper----for china---factory certified is not the same as flight certified. If I remember it corrdctly---chinese engines play the russian roullette while in flight----.

Would like some knowledgable members to correct me. Thanks.

I respected the fact that you know china more than I will ever do. But, can you stated any incident while in the past that when China certified a certain product for mass production, they never actually did mass produce these equipment?

From what I see (mainly from sources in the internet), when China certified a certain product for mass production, this product would go into mass producing very quickly (and perhaps on the same year).

Also it is national certification that we are seeing here... and the Chinese had actually started fitting the J-11b with the said engines.
 

Zool

Junior Member
I respected the fact that you know china more than I will ever do. But, can you stated any incident while in the past that when China certified a certain product for mass production, they never actually did mass produce these equipment?

I think a simple answer to your question would be this threads heading... JF-17/FC-1 has been fully certified/tested and is production ready.

As for WS-10A there has been clear improvements made to the manufacture process (let alone the design, hence addition of A to nomenclature) which were not there two years ago.

However I do not believe anyone here knows the current production figures. Photo's of fighter regiments showing the WS-10 equipped will be the only real evidence of mass production.

Personally I expect limited production of WS-10A until work has been finalized on the WS-10B model. This provides additional engine cores as needed and more importantly an opportunity to further refine the manufacture and quality control process'.

Cheers,
Zool
 

rhino123

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I think a simple answer to your question would be this threads heading... JF-17/FC-1 has been fully certified/tested and is production ready.



Cheers,
Zool

I am sorry I do not understand what you said had anything to do with my question to MasterKhan. What I am interested to know is that when MasterKhan claimed that the Chinese or factory certified mass production was not actually mass production (or something like that) and when I read through internet sources, I found no incidence in the past that when the Chinese certified something for mass production, they did not actually mass produce that item.
 

taimikhan

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mkhan

New Member
Nice pics :)

I do have a question though. Are there any pictures out there showing the JF-17 carrying some Laser Targeting Pod for ground attack role ? I read that JF-17 was supposed to be able to carry a Chinese targeting pod.
 
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