Although I feel that China needs to avoid unnecessary conflicts wherever possible, from my own readings from western websites of varying types (from yahoo to alt history forums etc) it isn't automatically assumed from the public at large about China being the bad guy even if Japan shot first if western media biases try to portray China as the aggressor. A good example again is how the Georgia-Russia conflict was handled, in the end maintaining one's position and having the domestic support for it is far more important than whatever foreign media spins may be. This doesn't mean China should ignore counter-media activities to negate hostile propaganda in any event.
Japanese ships disrupted Chinese naval exercises
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Although I feel that China needs to avoid unnecessary conflicts wherever possible, from my own readings from western websites of varying types (from yahoo to alt history forums etc) it isn't automatically assumed from the public at large about China being the bad guy even if Japan shot first if western media biases try to portray China as the aggressor. A good example again is how the Georgia-Russia conflict was handled, in the end maintaining one's position and having the domestic support for it is far more important than whatever foreign media spins may be. This doesn't mean China should ignore counter-media activities to negate hostile propaganda in any event.
volleyballer
Banned Idiot
By the way, is it possible that the JMSDF engaged their EW suite and was active interfering with PLAN ships sensors/communication? Could this be why the Chinese got so agitated?
If that is the case, the Chinese shouldn't feel too agitated. They could lodge a formal complaint but through this issues, they should also reviewed their EW defence suite and exercise. In actuality, they should thank the Japanese in showing them their weaknesses and since it is not wartime, the Chinese could refine their strategies and tactics, as well as the EW defences....
Blackstone
Brigadier
jacksprat;252911Orig posted by PLAWOLF
Dude, wake up and smell the bacon; this isn't your father's CCP and ordinary Chinese citizens have a great deal of freedom, compared to their fathers in Mao's era.
We finally agree on something.
Of course, you include yourself, yes?
Equation
Lieutenant General
It doesn't matter what the facts are in documentations, what plawolf trying to say is the bias western media would spin it or will start accusing China for not taking the initiative to cooperate with its neighbors for more peaceful friendly terms even though the Japanese navy was the guilty one for initiating the problem in the first place.
antiterror13
Brigadier
The thing is ... now the Chinese have a very good reason (a precedent) to do exactly the same to any Japanese naval exercise ..... time will tell 
Hazarding another vessel is fairly well defined, wolf.
I saw it over and over during the Cold War with the Russians. And unless they actually hazarded the vessel, or (as they did in some cases) collided with the vessel, we in the US knew that this was part of the game of being on the high seas in international waters and having an adversary trying to gain intelligence on you.
The Chinese are now getting out on the high seas and will see the same. Again, if a vessel is actually hazarded, meaning there is a clear danger of collision if one or the other vessel does not take drastic action, and that action on both parts could still have them bump or collide, then that is grounds for very significant complain, censure, and warning.
In the US vs Russian case there were several times when sailors were actually killed in such antics...yet there was no war or firing. This led to the agreements that the US and Soviets made in the 70s to help avoid such drastic issues. it did not however keep vessels from gathering intelligence and interfering in exercise zones...it did establish clear rules about hazarding one another.
The Japanese operate very much on US doctrine and I imagine they are following those rules.
In that case the JMSDF vessel would be hazarding itself and no sane captain would do such a thing. The Chinese would also indicate in their release and publication regarding those firing zones.
Come on Wolf, you are better than this. They could easily show their release to the public about their planned fire exercise, and then show the video with the time and date stamp, and the senor data showing the location. This would show that a JMSDF vessel hazarded itself by plowing into a planned fire zone in the manner you indicated.
You do not know that. The Chinese say they were provoked, but have not said they were collided with, hazarded, or that the JMSDF tried to collide with them. The Japanese say they simply monitored the exercise closely for three days.
If the Chinese want us to believe otherwise, show us the evidence. Damaged vessels, videos, data. If they do, and it is clear the JMSDF did this, then the censor holds and action should be taken and a captain relieved.
But if they do not, then we must presume that the Japanese ignored a PLAN zone on the high seas in international waters and that the JMSDF captain got as close as he could to fulfill his mission without hazarding or damaging anything.
I assume it would include smaller FACs, submarines, smaller auxiliaries, and other assets (aircraft?) as well, not just large ocean going surface ships?
That said, the article's content can definitely be challenged in some areas.
Funny you mentioned that. Please define close enough. Japan has a huge "air defense identification zone" that is very very close to China
Japan scramble jets whenever another military plane enters the zone. How on earth one can say China is being aggressive when they send her jets just outside of her doorsteps?
Edit:
Another map from the same :
Dotted lines are the disputed EEZ and the solid red line is the air defense identification zone
Unfortunately close maritime proximity of east asian countries means everyone wants a big buffer zone lol...
But Japan will have to get used to increased PLAAF and PLAN presence as they transit beyond the first island chain. Of course there are other routes they can take as well, but fact is that's the quickest out into the open pacific.
Not every transit between Japanese islands are a political statement.
I think a lot of this has to do with the irresponsible media spinning things out of control. "Chinese fleet enroute to international waters for exercise" just doesn't have the same vibe as "Chinese fleet trespassing between Japanese islands", especially in light of recent disputes over the Diaoyu Island. Then we got unscrupulous politicians cashing in on this by making bellicose statements. Basically a vicious cycle.
solarz
Brigadier
That is far from certain. Look at Snowden and Syria. Two typical examples of how mainstream western media tried to create a spin, and the public just didn't buy it. Even if public opinion is 50-50, that's enough to deter any military action.