Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Radar

airsuperiority said:

i find that very hard to agree to. abe is getting quite known as hawkish already, even as described so by the reuters.the thing about the japanese government is that they arent ever thought of as "innocent" or "good folks", but it's just that they rarely tend to cause much of a problem that people can choose to ignore them until that season's premier is their turn (consider how gaddafi wasnt really given even half a token of thought throughout these years until few years back that suddenly he was given the spotlight). and the western press never liked china, but that doesnt mean they cant add in another "troublemaking politican" to stir-fry this season's story twice as "fresh with an oriental spice in it." the public gotta be very bland to think they're "good guys", and given japan's prominent role in ww2 and pearl harbor, we'll be kidding ourselves if we are to think half the world today is that "unaware"

on the other hand, kgg, i think u're forgetting something very fundamental. all conflicts have 2 major figures to star and direct the theme. cold-war is between US+ NATO vs USSR. if u include china or CIS, we'll all know that PRC and CIS are just side players. for the vietnam war, it's between US and vietnam. any red proxy supports don't make them as key players, and for korean war, NK vs SK are the primary characters, while US, China..are MERELY major SUPPORTING characters. and of course, UN states like canada and communist support like USSR are almost not even a major concern. (hence why china cared so much to be recognized as a major player in ww2 and not "another ally")
with all that being said, coming back here, the same idea goes: major player would be japan vs china, and the themes are also revolved around the primary interests of both. sure, US has a defense treaty with japan, but given the american geopolitical positions and the "amount of stakes" invested in the region, US support and all results will ultimately be more of primary fruits for Japan. this is also why japan is so "dedicated" about this issue, while US isnt as "strong" about this crisis.

having established this recognition, we can now examine washington's attitudes and "devotions" so far.

for the US to buy Japan's story requires the entire congress(iunno why i typed congee the first time) to be twice as retarded as they are currently, and even the hawkish ones know that getting into a frontal fight with china with japan on their side is gonna stir more trouble than good. in case of a chinese defeat and curbing china into "a regional whimper", japanese sentiments might be boosted tremendously, and suddenly we will have a really serious issue with japanese being twice the anchor than before.. except by now they would be more independent oriented. and US support would definitely only end up reinforced something the US doesnt actually want. Japan would take this further establishment to stand independent, and US interests wont be important to japan at all anymore. and let's be honest. does US expect japan to be genuine for american interests? and does japan even look like the type to want to be a proxy?

of all these things, it's all of MacArthur and US fault for not rooting out the entire government in the post-war reconstruction of Japan, and now US is about to deal with a potential sore that can be a lot more dangerous than north korea. reason being? Japan is 20 times lot more skilled and have a much bigger hand in the international community than pyongyang had ever been.

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cn_habs said:

I totally agree but how would you react if Abe escalates this further step by step? I always thought he was just trying to stabilize his position and appease voters at home but does he want more than his current administrative rights on DY with the US card?

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MwRYum said:

You do know my position is and always "2nd Sino-Japanese War is inevitable", so the only answer I can give you is to prepare for World War 3, nukes and other things, as by the time the dust settles, either China or Japan will be nuclear wasteland.

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cn_habs said:

I totally agree but how would you react if Abe escalates this further step by step? I always thought he was just trying to stabilize his position and appease voters at home but does he want more than his current administrative rights on DY with the US card?

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MwRYum said:

You do know my position is and always "2nd Sino-Japanese War is inevitable", so the only answer I can give you is to prepare for World War 3, nukes and other things, as by the time the dust settles, either China or Japan will be nuclear wasteland.

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solarz said:

The reason Abe is pushing so hard for a fight is because, unlike the Phillipines for example, the Japanese truly believe that they can defeat China in a naval confrontation. Abe bringing up the Falklands is a clear indication of that belief.

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MwRYum said:

Exactly, all you need is just one side confident of certain victory, then comes war. That's how it happened before, and that's what will happen between China and Japan. Japan will do everything to push China into open war, forcing Beijing's hands to either go to war at the worst of times, or face social upheavals due to Beijing's perceived "cowardice" by the public.

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solarz said:

China is definitely not the only one in the region to have a beef with Japan:

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If the Japanese continue with their provocations, China should, as a first step, suspend rare earth shipments. Let Sony and Panasonic figure out how to secure alternate supplies. It will hurt trade, but will ultimately be cheaper than a shooting war.

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MwRYum said:

S.Koreans can, dare and capable to uphold such campaign because they got local brands of similar make and quality. China's embargo on the REM again, hmmm...by what pretext to proceed so the subsequent complaint to the WTO would get thrown out? Or at the core make the Japanese truly received as China's show of strength? Mind you, Japanese as a culture only respect martial strength, and this is certainly not warrant as an effective one, or enough for the Japanese people to think twice of their perceived superiority.

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