Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Radar

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jobjed

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why is that ? please elaborate a bit. Did Chinese CG cutters really routinely patrol inside 12 nm ?

Chinese CMS vessels did not routinely patrol inside 12nm of Diaoyu Islands, which is why the fact that they are now is a defeat for Japan.
 

antiterror13

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Chinese CMS vessels did not routinely patrol inside 12nm of Diaoyu Islands, which is why the fact that they are now is a defeat for Japan.

do you really understand my question ?

note : I asked Mystere, not you anyway
 

Mysterre

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do you really understand my question ?

note : I asked Mystere, not you anyway

I guess I do not really understand your question either, because my response would have been the same as jobjed's.
 

antiterror13

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I guess I do not really understand your question either, because my response would have been the same as jobjed's.

ohhh well if 2 ppl out of 2 don't understand my question .... too bad, it was my bad question then :)
 

solarz

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It looks like the North Korean situation is now forcing China and Japan to take a more cooperative approach. Coincidence? Hmmm....
 
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Geographer

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The Latest Chinese Photos Have Shown That Japan Has No Firm Control Of The Diaoyu Islands:
Sailing some ships around the islands is the weakest exercise of sovereignty. Boots on the ground, folks, boots on the ground. That's what matters in territorial disputes. A lot of boots on the ground for a long time. If China wants to claim the island, it needs to land Chinese citizens on the islands, build houses for them, and keep them there for years. China would simultaneously need to prevent Japanese citizens from landing.

People occupying territory, that's the only way to do it.
 

bd popeye

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All members are reminded to not discuss the dearly departed bladerunner..he's gone and we all know why..let that stand.

bd popeye super moderator
 

Mysterre

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Sailing some ships around the islands is the weakest exercise of sovereignty. Boots on the ground, folks, boots on the ground. That's what matters in territorial disputes. A lot of boots on the ground for a long time. If China wants to claim the island, it needs to land Chinese citizens on the islands, build houses for them, and keep them there for years. China would simultaneously need to prevent Japanese citizens from landing.

People occupying territory, that's the only way to do it.
You must be wishing for war, then, because that's what would happen. Reguarly patrolling inside the 12nm "territorial waters" of DYT is a very significant move in and of itself, but certainly not one which would lead to war. Attempting to establish a long term presence on DYT would be interpreted by the rest of the world as a land grab since Japan is the de facto administrator of DYT, and would most certainly lead to war. Consider how China would take it if India sent some "civilians" into Aksai Chin and built some houses there and tried to defend them with its troops. You'd get a fight on your hands. It would be no different between China and Japan.
 

Jeff Head

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Sailing some ships around the islands is the weakest exercise of sovereignty. Boots on the ground, folks, boots on the ground. That's what matters in territorial disputes. A lot of boots on the ground for a long time. If China wants to claim the island, it needs to land Chinese citizens on the islands, build houses for them, and keep them there for years. China would simultaneously need to prevent Japanese citizens from landing.

People occupying territory, that's the only way to do it.
These islands are unihabited for a reson. There is nothing there to sustain life, and there is no reason...no real natural resources on the islamds themselves...to warrant settlements there. Everything would have to be shipped in to sustain them.

Now, if someone wanted to get brazen and warlike and agreressive, they could land there and establish a military outpost and presence...but that would be resisted at arms and you would then have a conflict on your hands that could easily escalate.

The fact that Japan is not aggressively maintiaining its territorial water limit tells you they do not want a war over this issue as it stands. The feel that they can come in and land on the island, do surveys, show a presece as often as necessary to punctuate their claim...but thay have also shown that when it comes to other nationals landing on the islands and planting flags...they physically and forcefully remove them.
 

joshuatree

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.....The fact that Japan is not aggressively maintiaining its territorial water limit tells you they do not want a war over this issue as it stands. They feel that they can come in and land on the island, do surveys, show a presece as often as necessary to punctuate their claim...but thay have also shown that when it comes to other nationals landing on the islands and planting flags...they physically and forcefully remove them.

Except the Japanese ante'd up several months ago with "nationalization". Maybe it's nothing more than words and theatrics for some folks, but for others, that's unacceptable slight of hand aggression so we're here where we are today. Even the Taiwanese view it as provocative, enough for them to send escorts with their fishing fleets to sail around the islands and engage in water canon fights. Don't recall the Taiwanese ever being so forceful in the past. We now have routines patrols from the Chinese side as well. I sincerely hope for the time being, any land surveys, show of presence, planting of flags from any side does not happen. It's simmering but stable if different sides merely sail their ships around here and there. Any of the other stuff would be pouring gasoline on smoldering embers.
 
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