Japan keeps handling the northern territory in the political and economic realm, unlike ramming with coast guard ships and making giant fake islands like someone else.
Japan keeps handling the northern territory in the political and economic realm, unlike ramming with coast guard ships and making giant fake islands like someone else.
Mods need a wake up call sorry to say.
Lol sorry not everyone agrees perfectly with your view.
China kept Diaoyu disputes in the political and economic realm unlike some aggressive nation which unanimously allowed the disputed territory to be purchased by one of their citizens. Imagine the nerve of that.
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"Not everyone agrees with you" is sort of a pointless one liner. Some people will disagree with 1+1=2 even and will troll to get around it.
The PRC put a claim on them in the 1970s but no actual activities for the time being. The Japanese national government purchased the islands in September 2012. But what about the short period before? Was it still no actual activities? No. In 2008, PRC boats went into territorial waters of the Senkaku islands. Some noise from both sides followed but then nothing. Maybe just a 1 time thing. But again, PRC boats started coming up near the islands again in the summer of 2012, and more often. Also at the same time, the PRC was blocking Scarborough Shoal from Filipino fishermen. So a pattern with PRC activities couldbe seen. The Philippines couldn't stand up to PRC and Scarborough Shoal remained blocked off. Japan with more capacity took action and purchased the islands. If the PRC boats stayed out of Senkaku waters, they probably still be civilian owned.
That might be - even if I still try my best to be fair - but I got this reply in another forum and therefore posted this reply here. If You don't agree or with the reply I gave, so please try to explain - since similar to the Turkish TFX (IMO more a PR stunt), the BAe Tempest (IMO it will fail after Brextit), and the Japanese project - I'm very much skeptical if it ever will come to fruition, and economics is one reason ... otherwise please report a post You deem off topic, political or whatever and then we will decide.
Otherwise, welcome on board.
Well as could be imagined, I've been following Japanese defense stuff in Japanese materials and sites, and by the pattern of things, it has looked like a real project and beyond any doubt. To say otherwise just comes off as singing to keep happy the ego of the PRC bunch that serves the primary purpose of these forums.
Thank you for the patience with my sharp tongue and the welcome.
Brumby
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We all appreciate you are doing your best to be fair in your moderation. No question there.
I wish to interject regarding your views on the F-3 project.
All projects of a similar nature will thrive or die on their respective merits and circumstances. In other words their path forward is primarily independent of whatever happens to the other projects e.g. Tempest.
Among the bunch out there I believe the F-3 will have the greatest potential to fruition. Japan is looking at a replacement for its F-2. There is a specific requirement and not a want. Through the years Japan has looked at different options and essentially is where it is today by default due to a process of elimination. So far it appears to me (through its different sub programs) it is meticulously moving towards basically an indigenous program and possibly supplemented by external technology insertion where meaningful to its program. Its steps are carefully crafted and funded unlike the Indian bureaucratic nightmare of indecisiveness. I see resolved at the program level but the political support and momentum is still an unknown particularly when the chips are down in regards to cost. Politics of democratic nations and Japan is no exception is still subject to the political wind. However given China's assertiveness which will likely ramp up rather than down will only provide wind for the program.
"Pro-PRC /pro-CCP/ PRC bunch " isn't an insult.
Welcome to Sino Defence forum where "sharp tongues" meet "hammer tongues".
Japanese Coast Guard JCG Muzuki (PS-11) & JCG Nobaru (PS-16) ramming Chinese boat piloted by activists who had placed a Chinese flag on Diaoyu Island
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Welcome to Sino Defence forum where "sharp tongues" meet "hammer tongues".
Japanese Coast Guard JCG Muzuki (PS-11) & JCG Nobaru (PS-16) ramming Chinese boat piloted by activists who had placed a Chinese flag on Diaoyu Island
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
This exo-skelton looks as if it is close to mass production stage 
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"Pro-PRC /pro-CCP/ PRC bunch " isn't an insult.
Welcome to Sino Defence forum where "sharp tongues" meet "hammer tongues".
Japanese Coast Guard JCG Muzuki (PS-11) & JCG Nobaru (PS-16) ramming Chinese boat piloted by activists who had placed a Chinese flag on Diaoyu Island
image sourced from
They were trying to stop them from planting the flag on the Senkaku islands. Not the same as much the same as ramming to sink like they did to some Vietnamese boats or like when the Chinese fishing trawller rammed a Japanese coast guard ship in Senkaku waters in 2010.
Who made 10,000 ton class coast guard ships?