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Spartan95

Junior Member
Now about the Typhoon and F-18E/F...both doesn't have the problem concerning local production license as would be with F-22 and F-35, but either way JASDF will be breaking the tradition of using what USAF using...

True.

Which makes me think they will likely acquire the Hornets eventually, rather than go out on a limb and acquire the Typhoon. But than again, perhaps EADS will offer a lot more incentives to make it worthwhile for Japan to acquire the Typhoon?

On the issue of 5th gen aircraft, Japan will clearly want to acquire their own. F-22 is out since the assembly line has been shut down and it is not allowed for export. Hence, the current options for 5th gen aircraft (for further acquisition) are:

1. F-35. But Japan will be at the back of the queue, unless US pulls something to allow Japan to get F-35s earlier.

2. PAK-FA. Unlikely for Japan to buy Russian given the outstanding territorial disputes.

3. J-20. Non-starter really due to outstanding territorial disputes, US' concern with Japan procuring from PRC and the bilat relationship with historical baggage (WWII Japanese aggression).

4. Develop its own (potentially in cooperation with other countries such as RoK). The cost and time involved to develop its own 5th gen aircraft may also make it a non-starter, since it may take 15 years or more to reach operational status (just look at the F-35).
 

delft

Brigadier
True.

Which makes me think they will likely acquire the Hornets eventually, rather than go out on a limb and acquire the Typhoon. But than again, perhaps EADS will offer a lot more incentives to make it worthwhile for Japan to acquire the Typhoon?

On the issue of 5th gen aircraft, Japan will clearly want to acquire their own. F-22 is out since the assembly line has been shut down and it is not allowed for export. Hence, the current options for 5th gen aircraft (for further acquisition) are:

1. F-35. But Japan will be at the back of the queue, unless US pulls something to allow Japan to get F-35s earlier.

2. PAK-FA. Unlikely for Japan to buy Russian given the outstanding territorial disputes.

3. J-20. Non-starter really due to outstanding territorial disputes, US' concern with Japan procuring from PRC and the bilat relationship with historical baggage (WWII Japanese aggression).

4. Develop its own (potentially in cooperation with other countries such as RoK). The cost and time involved to develop its own 5th gen aircraft may also make it a non-starter, since it may take 15 years or more to reach operational status (just look at the F-35).
This means that the problem is insoluble as long as Japan remains an ally of the US.
 

MwRYum

Major
True.

Which makes me think they will likely acquire the Hornets eventually, rather than go out on a limb and acquire the Typhoon. But than again, perhaps EADS will offer a lot more incentives to make it worthwhile for Japan to acquire the Typhoon?

On the issue of 5th gen aircraft, Japan will clearly want to acquire their own. F-22 is out since the assembly line has been shut down and it is not allowed for export. Hence, the current options for 5th gen aircraft (for further acquisition) are:

1. F-35. But Japan will be at the back of the queue, unless US pulls something to allow Japan to get F-35s earlier.

2. PAK-FA. Unlikely for Japan to buy Russian given the outstanding territorial disputes.

3. J-20. Non-starter really due to outstanding territorial disputes, US' concern with Japan procuring from PRC and the bilat relationship with historical baggage (WWII Japanese aggression).

4. Develop its own (potentially in cooperation with other countries such as RoK). The cost and time involved to develop its own 5th gen aircraft may also make it a non-starter, since it may take 15 years or more to reach operational status (just look at the F-35).

The nos. 2 and 3 are just no-brainer out-of-question, especially when Japan ain't exactly in good tern with either Russia and China.

And probably 50% the same with your no.4 scenario: S. Korea is also not on good term with Japan as well.

Plus, right now ongoing 5th-gen fighter projects, you got either the Japan's too late to join (F-35) or can't join at all (PAK-FA, Project 718); whats left would be those that just got started, right about at wind tunnel model stage (the S.Korea/Indonesia one and the Indian AMCA) . Political issues aside, there'd definitely need to count in negotiations on budget and workload redistribution, and re-adjustment on specs to fit JASDF requirement...and that'd be just for starters.

Better if Japan to do it themselves, but to make it easier for things to come they better modify the constitution to allow military exports.
 
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Spartan95

Junior Member
Better if Japan to do it themselves, but to make it easier for things to come they better modify the constitution to allow military exports.

Considering that the Mitsubishi F-2 costs upwards of US$100 million a piece (more expensive than an F-35), I'd say that the chances for Japan going it alone on a 5th Gen fighter development is practically non-existent.

And it is exactly because of the affordability issue that has seen multilateral cooperation between countries in developing new, cutting edge fighters so that the costs can be shared. Examples include F-35, PAK-FA and Eurofighter. The only exception is the J-20. But than again, that is underpinned by 1 of the fastest developing economies in the world (and also its 2nd largest).
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Mostly opinion but it can make one salivate.. After all If they Buy F35A's then Why not Tag in a few B's
Japan "likely to pick F-35 fighter" Mon, Dec 12
By Tim Kelly and Kiyoshi Takenaka Reuters news service.
TOKYO
(Reuters) - Japan will likely pick Lockheed Martin's F-35 jet as its next frontline fighter, media reported on Tuesday, which may help end six decades of isolation for the country's defense contractors and bolster its military against growing Chinese might.

The government will choose between two U.S. models -- the F-35 and the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet -- and Europe's four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon, at a meeting of the national security council on Friday, the Nikkei business daily said.

The date of the planned meeting could not be confirmed with government officials and chief cabinet spokesman Osamu Fujimura said no decision had been made. The Pentagon's F-35 program office also said it had not received any word from Japan.

Analysts say the purchase is potentially worth $8 billion.

The hope for Lockheed is that assembling the F-35 in Japan will spur the pacifist nation to lift a ban on military equipment exports, allowing contractors such as Mitsubishi Heavy Industries to compete as suppliers for the fighter.

"If the government chooses to go forward and relax the (export ban) we believe there is a very strong case for participating in the F-35 program," said Dave Scott director of international business development for the F-35.

While the most expensive of the three, the F-35 leads the others due to its "overwhelmingly superior performance" and stealth capabilities, the Nikkei said.

To compete against Lockheed's fifth-generation technological edge, Boeing is offering as much as 80 percent of the construction to local makers, with Eurofighter promising 95 percent for their fourth-generation designs.

THE LURE OF JAPAN TECH

While each maker disagrees on the merits of their competing bids, all agree that Japan has technology they could use. And for U.S. military planners juggling with smaller budgets, widening out into a more competitive supply chain may let it arm itself more cheaply.

Although Japan is the world's sixth-biggest military spender, it often pays more than double other nations for the same equipment because local export-restricted manufacturers can only fill small orders at a high cost.

Removing the ban would stretch its defense purse further as military spending in neighboring China expands.

This year, Asia's biggest economy raised military outlays by 12.7 percent. That included money for its own stealth fighter, the J-20, which made its maiden flight in January.

Fielding the F-35 would put Japan a step ahead of China.

"The decision should be in line with what China has anticipated and come with little surprise," said Narushige Michishita, Associate Professor of Security and International Studies at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies.

But any easing of a weapons export ban may prompt criticism from Beijing and be seen as step away from Japan's pacifist constitution.

Although Boeing and Eurofighter may leave Japan empty handed, the battle for sales rages elsewhere.

The radar-evading F-35 is often touted as the second-best choice in the U.S. arsenal after the F-22, but marketers pitch the F-18 and Eurofighter as strong alternatives.

The market for fighter jets in the Middle East and Asia is particularly active as air forces worldwide come up against replacement cycles and prepare for growing fears of insecurity.

India is expected to choose between the Eurofighter and Dassault Aviation Rafale, on a potential $11 billion order for 126 fighter jets in coming weeks.

Those two aircraft are also bidding for an order in the United Arab Emirates. The U.S. said on Monday it would sell 18 more Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters to Iraq.

(Additional reporting by Balaji Sridharan Tim Hepher, Jim Wolf, Andrea Shalal-Esa; Editing by Nick Macfie)
 

MwRYum

Major
Mostly opinion but it can make one salivate.. After all If they Buy F35A's then Why not Tag in a few B's

Then it'd be interesting as to how the Japanese going to classify their aircraft carrier...DDA (A for aircraft)?

Still, at current queue Japan is looking at a 2020s timetable if US won't relax on the license production part, but if they lax on Japan, principle partners such as UK will fight for UK's lot to be build locally by BAE too...this is going to be one hell of a catfight.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Although The Israeli's have some thing of a special deal. Given the Close relations between the US and Japan, The Licensing and production allowances made in the past I would not doubt Arrangements could be made.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
and It seems they made the call.
Japan Selects Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II

FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 19, 2011 - The Japan Ministry of Defense has announced its selection of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II as the Japan Air Self Defense Force's (JASDF) next generation fighter aircraft, following the F-X competitive bid process. The F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant (CTOL) was offered by the United States government with participation from Lockheed Martin. The initial contract will be for four jets in Japan Fiscal Year 2012, which begins April 1, 2012.

"We are honored by the confidence the Japanese government has placed in the F-35 and our industry team to deliver this 5th Generation fighter to the Japan Air Self Defense Force," said Bob Stevens, Lockheed Martin chairman and chief executive officer. "This announcement begins a new chapter in our long-standing partnership with Japanese industry and builds on the strong security cooperation between the U.S. and Japan."

Global participation is a centerpiece of the F-35 program and essential for its success and affordability through economies of scale. The program is comprised of nine partner nations: the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway. The United Kingdom and Netherlands have ordered test aircraft, and Italy and Australia have committed long-lead funding for their initial operational aircraft. In October 2010, Israel selected the F-35A as the Israel Air Force's next generation fighter and is scheduled to receive the F-35 through the U.S. government's Foreign Military Sales process.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Wall street Journal said:
Japan Lifts Decadeslong Ban on Export of Weapons

By CHESTER DAWSON

TOKYO—Japan's cabinet decided Tuesday to effectively lift a four-decade self-imposed ban on weapons shipments that has nominally prohibited Japanese arms makers from joint development and export of military technology.

The move to abandon the Cold War-era restrictions comes as Japan seeks to defer costs for developing and manufacturing advanced technology in areas such as ballistic-missile defense and jet fighters. While there have been many exceptions in the past, the decision marks the first major revision since the ban was introduced in 1967 and tightened in 1976.

"Whereas previously exceptions have been granted on a case-by-case basis, we will now institutionalize exceptions in a comprehensive manner," chief government spokesman Osamu Fujimura told reporters, adding that Japan would continue to uphold the principle of not exporting weapons where it might prolong international conflicts or violate embargoes.

The policy shift came during a national security council meeting chaired by Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, who has taken a more hawkish stance on defense issues than his two most recent predecessors, who also considered relaxing the ban.

The decision won the immediate backing of the U.S., which has urged Japan to speed transfers of jointly developed military technology to other allies. "The announcement on new standards associated with Japan's three principles should provide opportunities for Japan that would be supportive of the Alliance and are consistent with Japan's obligations to international export-control regimes," the U.S. Embassy said in a statement.

Japan's leading big-business lobby, the Keidanren, which has been one of the strongest proponents of easing the arms-export ban, also welcomed the move. Keidanren Chairman Hiromasa Yonekura called it a "groundbreaking" development deserving "high praise," in a statement after the cabinet decision.

Japanese industrial interests and hawkish members of parliament have long pushed for overturning the ban, but the issue has been sensitive because of Japan's post-World War II commitment to pacifism. The revision was hotly debated last year. It was expected to accompany a new midterm defense plan announced a year ago, but that proposal was shelved after strong opposition from a minority partner in Japan's coalition government, headed by then-Prime Minister Naoto Kan.

The decision Tuesday follows Mr. Kan's replacement by Mr. Noda in September and Japan's decision last week to buy 42 of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s pricey F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter planes to replace its Air Self Defense Force's aging fleet of 1960s-era F-4 jets.

Japan said it plans to spend some ¥1.6 trillion ($20.8 billion) on the program over the next 20 years, and hopes to offset some of the costs of procuring and partially producing the aircraft domestically by exporting components to other F-35 buyers. The rising cost associated with producing military hardware that could technically be used only in Japan was a major factor prompting the export-ban reassessment.

It is still unclear which parts of the advanced stealth fighter will be made in Japan, as discussions between Lockheed Martin and the Defense Ministry aren't expected to take place until next year. But government and industry officials in Tokyo have signaled that they expect to win some contracts in a globally scaled program for as many as 3,000 F-35 jets. Lockheed didn't respond immediately to a request for comment.

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd., IHI Corp. and Mitsubishi Electric Corp. will participate in production of the planes, the defense ministry said.

Japan's commitment to abstain from arms exports, enshrined in its so-called three principles, was designed to prevent weapons shipments to the communist bloc at the height of the Cold War, as well as to countries under United Nations arms embargoes and war zones. By showcasing the country's avowedly pacifist orientation, they also helped allay concerns about Japan's remilitarization, even as the country's Self Defense Forces seemed at odds with a constitutional renunciation of the use of force.

A strict interpretation of the ban would prevent the U.S. and other allies from exporting systems that contained Japanese-developed components. But over the years, Japanese officials have gradually chipped away at the policy, creating exceptions when the rules seemed to get in the way of key projects, such as joint-development programs with the U.S.

Most recently, the U.S. Defense Department last year pressured Japan to create an exception to its rules to allow the U.S. to sell to Europe missile interceptors developed with Japan.

While Japan has avidly developed and deployed advanced military technology, it faces pressure from the deterioration of its fiscal balance sheet. The country's defense budget—at ¥4.6 trillion this year—has declined for nearly a decade amid a debt-to-gross domestic product ratio that has soared to 200%.
—George Nishiyama and Takashi Nakamichi contributed to this article.
Made In japan.
 

paintgun

Senior Member
F-15 modernization via MP.net

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