Japan Earthquake

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Sigh... western media and their fear mongering articles.:mad:

Meltdown means the fuel assembly melts, which is not the same as the accident at Chernobyl, and certainly NOT the same as a detonation of a nuclear bomb such as Hiroshima.

Well I ain't expecting a nuclear winter or F.E.A.R or Fallout to happen, but it's still very bad. I just can't help but feel bad to the Japanese people. Japan is crowded enough of a country, and this disaster is just catastrophic because that means less living space for the Japanese people if the event strikes big.
 

Engineer

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...this disaster is just catastrophic...
If by "this disaster" you are referring to the possible meltdown then no, it is not catastrophic. It is certainly serious, but the sky isn't falling on Japan. The reactor and its surrounding structure are designed to hold all the radioactive materials in in the event of a meltdown. By "less living space for the Japanese people", you are thinking of a Chernobyl-style disaster, which is a media hype.

Take whatever you see/hear/read from Western media regarding this nuclear disaster. Now, wipe that from your head. If you want to read about Japan, then find a source from Japan.
 
If by "this disaster" you are referring to the possible meltdown then no, it is not catastrophic. It is certainly serious, but the sky isn't falling on Japan. The reactor and its surrounding structure are designed to hold all the radioactive materials in in the event of a meltdown. By "less living space for the Japanese people", you are thinking of a Chernobyl-style disaster, which is a media hype.

Take whatever you see/hear/read from Western media regarding this nuclear disaster. Now, wipe that from your head. If you want to read about Japan, then find a source from Japan.

oh i was reading wiki until now, when i took a look at cnn. it seems like it's not THAT serious, and i hope it's true, and that things will settle down. it's bout time for the peddles to fall sink back to the seabeds
 

AssassinsMace

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I just read that the USS Ronald Reagan has detected radiation 100 miles away from the plant. Sounds more serious than they're saying.
 

bd popeye

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I just read that the USS Ronald Reagan has detected radiation 100 miles away from the plant. Sounds more serious than they're saying.

That's right A.Mace. In the past the Japanese have not been 100% truthful about incidents at their nuke power plants.
 

solarz

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Seems like things are looking pretty grim right now. Does anyone know if those nuclear plants were damaged by the quake or by the tsunamis?
 

joshuatree

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Seems like things are looking pretty grim right now. Does anyone know if those nuclear plants were damaged by the quake or by the tsunamis?

Well the earthquake triggered the plant shutdown and most likely cut power to the cooling systems. The tsunami incapacitated the backup generators from what I read which shut the cooling systems down all together which is now leading to this potential meltdown. So both contributed to the chain of events.
 

solarz

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The death toll is going to rise dramatically:

Miyagi prefecture

• At least 785 people confirmed dead in cities including Kesennuma, Higashimatsubara and Sendai, but local authorities fear more than 10,000 people may have died in the prefecture alone.

• Around 2,000 bodies found on two shores, including those in the town of Minamisanriku and Ishinomaki City.

• Minamisanriku has a population of 17,000, but 10,000 are missing after the tsunami.

Iwate prefecture

• At least 574 people confirmed dead, including those in Ofunato and Rikuzentakata.

• The city of Rikuzentakata, with a population of 23,000 people, was "almost completely wiped out", the fire department says. No information yet on how many survived. More than 80% of the city was flooded.

• In the town of Otsuchi, out of a population of 15,000 people 12,000 are missing.

It happened the same way during the Sichuan Earthquake. I remember that during the first few days, the death tolls were in the thousands, and then it climbed to tens of thousands.

I really detest the way earthquake death tolls are reported. They seem to report only the confirmed/presumed dead, while putting the number of missing in small print buried somewhere in the article, if it's there at all.

It really understates the magnitude of the catastrophe. They really should put the number of missing in the headlines as well.

Also, does anyone know how much of Japan is affected by this quake? By that I mean access to water, electricity, and the internet.
 

Jeff Head

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Seems like things are looking pretty grim right now. Does anyone know if those nuclear plants were damaged by the quake or by the tsunamis?

The reactors scrammed when the eathquake hit...this means they automatically shutdown. but it takes a long time for them to cool. The 1st cooling system was powered by electricity and the electricity was off due to the quake, so the operators went to their emergency diesel power. Not long later, the tsunami came along and took out the diesel fuel tanks, and maybe some of the generators as well. So they went to battery power, but it is only good for a few hours, hoping to get either dieel or regular electricty back. Unfortunately, because of the damage to infrastructure, they did not fget the right diesel parts back in time.

So, they began to vent steam as the pressure built.

Remember, nuclear reaction has ceased, they are just wanting to cool down the fuel and that takes quite a long time.

Ultimately, they began to use sea water to cool the cores. But even then, there is still a lot of heat and so they continue to vent.

What they are venting is generally not dangerous, particularly in the long term...but the hydrodgen has still seperated in some cases and so they vent that too and that is what has been causing the explosions. As far as I can tell, all of those have occurred outside of the containment structures and no containment structure has been breached.

The cores are designed to still contain the really dangerous radioactivity even if all cooling fails and there is a melt down. 1st, they are encased in a sheath as a first line that allows up to 2200 C or something like that. Then all of that is encased in a very well designed, very strong steel contaiment vessel, capable of over 3000 C. If it got to that point the core would drop into the concrete contaiment understructure which is supposed to hold and encase it until it cools down.

As I understand it, those direct containment methods have not been breached...they are still trying to cool it externally, venting steam as they went and it had some radioactivity in it...but very short half-life.

Here is a GREAT artcile here by an MIT expert on the technology. Best straight forward explanation I hvae read to date:

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Read that article. I agree with his sentiments having worked the first several years of my career (in the early to mid eighties for Bechtel Power Coporation on the San Onofre and STP nuclear plants.

I really detest the way earthquake death tolls are reported. They seem to report only the confirmed/presumed dead, while putting the number of missing in small print buried somewhere in the article, if it's there at all.

It really understates the magnitude of the catastrophe. They really should put the number of missing in the headlines as well.
I agree as well. I believe the death toll will go over 100,000...and may approach or pass 200,000. Too many entoire small towns reported wiped out. One city reports 10,000 missing in that smaller city alone.
 
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delft

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I just heard BBC World Service say that a designer of the power plant(s)(?) concerned had said that the reactors were not designed to cater for such a quake and tsunami. How reliable is that news?
I do not trust the Japanese authorities, but otherwise I tend to accept the arguments of Engineer.
 
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