J-XX Fighter Aircraft

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otester

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It seems that Americans have done the lion's share of the design work for the F-35, if media accounts are to be believed.

I looked on Wikipedia but didn't find what I needed, do you know where I can find out whose done what exactly for the JSF.

Also it looks like BAE is eating up all the defense contractors in the US could well end up the biggest in the world.
 

old faithful

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F-35 is a joint development between BAE and the American defense contractors.

We did make the harrier after all :D



What I mean is that those things weren't built from the ground up, they're just built based on Russian development, but not always directly copies.



I was refering to the IAI's Lavi.



If I take a T-80 and turn it into a Type 99 then yes, it is merely a heavily modified version, with your own electronics etc.

Something like the Arjun is more of an example of a self-built tank.



The J-8 project was largely made possible due to the transfer of MiG-21 technology from the Soviet Union in 1961. However this aircraft lacked the
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WS-10A is based on the USA CFM-56 engine.

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pretty sure the harrier was an unfinished french project you poms picked up mate!:rofl:
 
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^ You know, Wiki is an extremely unreliable source. Anyone can change anything on there...

J-8 is an enlarged version of the J-7, a MiG-21 copy.(1)
F-8II will use Zhuk radars.(2)
(W)Z-10 is powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67C turboshaft engines.(3)

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pretty sure the harrier was an unfinished french project you poms picked up mate!

The concept of V/STOL was thought up theoretically by M. Wilbaut (French guy) and a possible basic engine layout, Hawker Siddeley actually designed a working engine and then built a plane around it to the specifications required.

It's like saying the JSF is in the same position, which it isn't, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics/Northrop Grumman/BAE Systems were contracted to design a 5th generation fighter-bomber, the result was the JSF.
 
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^ You know, Wiki is an extremely unreliable source. Anyone can change anything on there...

J-8 is an enlarged version of the J-7, a MiG-21 copy.(1)
F-8II will use Zhuk radars.(2)
(W)Z-10 is powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67C turboshaft engines.(3)

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old faithful said:
pretty sure the harrier was an unfinished french project you poms picked up mate!

The concept of V/STOL was thought up theoretically by M. Wilbaut (French guy) and a possible basic engine layout, Hawker Siddeley actually designed a working engine and then built a plane around it to the specifications required.

It's like saying the JSF is in the same position, which it isn't, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics/Northrop Grumman/BAE Systems were contracted to design a 5th generation fighter-bomber, the result was the JSF.
 

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^ Actually, if anything, China's track record of absorbing technologies and indigenizing them proves precisely that it's successfully absorbing stealth technologies and making its own stealth fighter.

This is China's unique capability, it is second to none. Rarely does China actually get to dissect an actual foreign military gear to replicate it, nor does it get any blueprints. (The Flankers are one of the few exceptions.) But despite this, China manages to gather enough data and information to be able to indigenize so many things -- even the Meteor AAM!

China's technological progress is only growing, not slowing down. It's actually funny that some folks in the West think China's technological progress is not "really" technological progress -- and make up all sorts of reasons why it's some freak phenomenon and not really authentic, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


Anyway, the rumors are that J-XX has done wind-tunnel testing (full sized, not a model). It looks more and more like it will enter service by ~2013. In the meantime, you might want to look into the modified J-10 that is already being test flown and hopefully will enter service quite soon :D


you need engines that have bigger thrust, which consumes alot of fuel, and it'll be less agile then its lighter companions. though it can be fitted with a bigger radar and more avionics for electronic warefare purposes or other situations.

It's absolutely imperative for J-XX to be at least capable of 1200+ km combat radius. Otherwise, it would be mostly used for close-in defense, and not to project power, which greatly constrains the PLA.
 
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^ Actually, if anything, China's track record of absorbing technologies and indigenizing them proves precisely that it's successfully absorbing stealth technologies and making its own stealth fighter.

This is China's unique capability, it is second to none. Rarely does China actually get to dissect an actual foreign military gear to replicate it, nor does it get any blueprints. (The Flankers are one of the few exceptions.) But despite this, China manages to gather enough data and information to be able to indigenize so many things -- even the Meteor AAM!

China's technological progress is only growing, not slowing down. It's actually funny that some folks in the West think China's technological progress is not "really" technological progress -- and make up all sorts of reasons why it's some freak phenomenon and not really authentic, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


Anyway, the rumors are that J-XX has done wind-tunnel testing (full sized, not a model). It looks more and more like it will enter service by ~2013. In the meantime, you might want to look into the modified J-10 that is already being test flown and hopefully will enter service quite soon :D




It's absolutely imperative for J-XX to be at least capable of 1200+ km combat radius. Otherwise, it would be mostly used for close-in defense, and not to project power, which greatly constrains the PLA.

Only problem with this method is that the designing countries will always be one step ahead.
 

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J-8 is an enlarged version of the J-7, a MiG-21 copy.(1)
F-8II will use Zhuk radars.(2)
(W)Z-10 is powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67C turboshaft engines.(3)

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Yes i already know history of J-7s and J-8 quite well and dont need to read up on it again.

And technically speaking, WZ-10 is the attack version of Z-10 helicopter.
 
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Yes i already know history of J-7s and J-8 quite well and dont need to read up on it again.

I just try to add sources where possible, saves people asking later for more information & adds more credibility to the post.
 
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