J-XX Fighter Aircraft

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MIGleader said:

i would not put the yj-85 at anything over 300. i believe the missle can due 200 km, at most 200-250.

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You are wrong. Don't let those numbers on the sinodefense page fool you. Check this article:
This is a pretty well confirmed story from the Chinese/Russian military exercise. yj-83 hit two moving targets controlled by the Russians from 210 KM. So, the lo-lo range of yj-83 is at least 210KM. It's probably even more. yj-85 is more advanced than yj-83, so I'd guess it's lo-lo range is probably near 250KM. (ie: better than the Klub missiles) Normally, the hi-lo range is at least 100KM more than lo-lo range. So, that's where you would get the 350KM.

Think about it this way, brahmos has a 300KM hi-lo range, even though it's lo-lo range is only 120KM.

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Totoro said:

I don't wanna sound evil and not trusting but please do try to provide your best source for that claim for us to see/read, i'm really curious. Are you talking about some version of c-803 having such a range, even when air launched?

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Please note the sentence started with "imagine a future scenario... armed with 4x LACM's". That is, potential capability in the future with new LACM and not the C-803 today:


"The air launched variant of the YJ-82 is designated YJ-82K (C-802K). A JH-7 fighter-bomber can carry four missiles. Some unconfirmed reports indicated that there is a 400 km-range land-attack cruise missile (LACM) variant of the YJ-82 fitted with GPS/TERCOM guidance. Although this has never been confirmed, it is certain that the YJ-82 missile does have the potential of being modified into LACM without too much difficulty."

If you feel that 400km range is unrealistic, we can certaintely bump it down to 200km, 120km, or even 50km (C-801K). The fact remains that ground targets, such as buildings, cannot grow legs and run away, and surface ships will never out-run an airplane.

While an JH-7 is not likely to get within 50km to an USN carrier, not all potential opponents involve the USN. A wing of JH-7's armed with anti-ship missiles based in Hainan can offer effective power projection and deterrance against Vietnamese or Philippine navy.

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they actually have a navy... wow, thought they would quit and just give up since THE PRC IS HERE AHAHAHAHHA! PWNAGE!

Well the JH-7 can get close if the J-5 UAVs are launched to screw up foreign radars and the JH-7 can sneak in and attack in a "surprise raid" style

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A wing of JH-7's armed with anti-ship missiles based in Hainan can offer effective power projection and deterrance against Vietnamese or Philippine navy.

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What Vietnamese or Philipine navy? You mean their brand new sampan fleet? Better watch out, cuz those sampans are deadly. I hear they even bought a package of rpg-7s to use on the sampans. Wouldn't want to get within 400km of those bad boys.

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WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?

ONI confirmed a C-803 launch by a JH-7 2 years ago that reached 255KMs. Interesting thing is that C-803 is a single stage weapon, where as the long range Klub is 2(?) stage. I'm not sure on the harpoon. And when has the BrahMos' range being quoted for a hi-lo profile?

Second, WHO THE FVCK SAID JH-7 IS UNDERPOWERED/PIECE OF SH1T? I respectfully suggest that you find the TWR of the Tornado and shove it up your @ss. The radar on the JH-7/JH-7A, or the Type 233H (223?) and JL-10A, are both TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE ZHEMCHUNG and the N001VE/VEP they use on the SK/MK/MK2, IF they are using the VEP on the MK2, sorry I don't have the facts in my head right now. Why? Because the JL-10A at least is a slotted array, instead of you 1960s, okay, 70s, cassegrain.

and you people think Russian munition, especially the anti ship variant, is better than the C-80x class? Let's not forget the development history of the SAMPEN-E/Krypton derivative, also known as SLOW ASS IN DEEP MUD.

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vincelee said:

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?

ONI confirmed a C-803 launch by a JH-7 2 years ago that reached 255KMs. Interesting thing is that C-803 is a single stage weapon, where as the long range Klub is 2(?) stage. I'm not sure on the harpoon. And when has the BrahMos' range being quoted for a hi-lo profile?

Second, WHO THE FVCK SAID JH-7 IS UNDERPOWERED/PIECE OF SH1T? I respectfully suggest that you find the TWR of the Tornado and shove it up your @ss. The radar on the JH-7/JH-7A, or the Type 233H (223?) and JL-10A, are both TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR TO THE ZHEMCHUNG and the N001VE/VEP they use on the SK/MK/MK2, IF they are using the VEP on the MK2, sorry I don't have the facts in my head right now. Why? Because the JL-10A at least is a slotted array, instead of you 1960s, okay, 70s, cassegrain.

and you people think Russian munition, especially the anti ship variant, is better than the C-80x class? Let's not forget the development history of the SAMPEN-E/Krypton derivative, also known as SLOW ASS IN DEEP MUD.

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you need to catch up on the missile then. 255KM is the hi-lo range estimated by the Americans when it was fired from JH-7A. 210+ is the lo-lo range shown in the military exercises.

Check this on Brahmos:


As for the radar, it's believed that the radar offered by the Russians are not as good as the domestically made ones, that's why China accepted domestic ones for all the new fighers. J-10 apparently got the best domestic radar. The specs posted on sinodefense should be incorrect.

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"you need to catch up on the missile then. 255KM is the hi-lo range estimated by the Americans when it was fired from JH-7A. 210+ is the lo-lo range shown in the military exercises."

I know that, or do you feel like stating the obvious? You're not the only one at CDF, by the way. And it should be exercise, as Peace Mission 05 was the only time a third party has varified the lo lo range of a C-803.

by the way, ONI didn't estimate the range, they tracked it with a radar.

as for BrahMos, you're quoting something from protonriver, also know as curryriver. If that's the supplier's specifications, that's news to me.

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vincelee said:

"you need to catch up on the missile then. 255KM is the hi-lo range estimated by the Americans when it was fired from JH-7A. 210+ is the lo-lo range shown in the military exercises."

I know that, or do you feel like stating the obvious? You're not the only one at CDF, by the way. And it should be exercise, as Peace Mission 05 was the only time a third party has varified the lo lo range of a C-803.

by the way, ONI didn't estimate the range, they tracked it with a radar.

as for BrahMos, you're quoting something from protonriver, also know as curryriver. If that's the supplier's specifications, that's news to me.

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255KM is a possible range. But the range could be longer, that's what I'm saying. I don't understand what you are trying to get at? Are you just angry today or why are you trying to pick fight with everyone on this board?

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tphuang said:

255KM is a possible range. But the range could be longer, that's what I'm saying. I don't understand what you are trying to get at? Are you just angry today or why are you trying to pick fight with everyone on this board?

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Well, he is Vince. Thats what Vince does. What I don't understand is, why is he trying to make Chinese weapon systems sound good? Isn't he supposed to be anti-China and pro-Taiwan/Japan/US? If so, why is he saying the JH-7 is a good fighter with really good radar?

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you think solid propellant technology advanced that much between the 02 and the 03? I hope you're not proposing a max range of 300 km for the c-803 in hi lo