J-XX Fighter Aircraft
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FriedRiceNSpice
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Re: J-xx
Why get FC-1s? J-10 is so much better! A J-10 is cheaper yet better than basic Su-27s, Mig-29s, F-16s, and F-15s.
Why get FC-1s? J-10 is so much better! A J-10 is cheaper yet better than basic Su-27s, Mig-29s, F-16s, and F-15s.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Re: J-xx
You could produce two different type of J-10 variants. The J-10A could be the primary fighter for the PLAAF, used to replace the J-7s. The J-10C could be used as a more of an elite fighter, designed to counter the best of the enemy fighters.
tphuang said:
You could produce two different type of J-10 variants. The J-10A could be the primary fighter for the PLAAF, used to replace the J-7s. The J-10C could be used as a more of an elite fighter, designed to counter the best of the enemy fighters.
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I don't know, even if we get 2 production lines going, that's still only 50 planes a year. If we have FC-1 going at the same time, we'd get like 100 planes to replace them every year. We need to replace the J-7s fast!!!
I don't know, even if we get 2 production lines going, that's still only 50 planes a year. If we have FC-1 going at the same time, we'd get like 100 planes to replace them every year. We need to replace the J-7s fast!!!
FriedRiceNSpice
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Re: J-xx
Well, you could modify the FC-1 production lines to produce J-10s. Or you can build entirely new production lines. Either way, it doesn't matter which fighter you build at your production lines, so why not take the J-10 instead of the FC-1?
tphuang said:
Well, you could modify the FC-1 production lines to produce J-10s. Or you can build entirely new production lines. Either way, it doesn't matter which fighter you build at your production lines, so why not take the J-10 instead of the FC-1?
Chairman Hu
Banned Idiot
Re: J-xx
SCREW THE FC-1
Really, just do as what most of the people have said, the J-10 WILL PWN the FC-1 in a fight, so what if it's 10 million apart, "IT'S THE PRICE THAT'S RIGHT"
the J-10 uses a WS-10, and didn't a TVC ver. showed up at the Zhuhai airshow not too long ago, even if the FC-1 is going to be less, develop on a new engine with TVC instead of having one that has TVC will jack up the price
What's the point of the FC-1? Stick it to Exporting!
SCREW THE FC-1
Really, just do as what most of the people have said, the J-10 WILL PWN the FC-1 in a fight, so what if it's 10 million apart, "IT'S THE PRICE THAT'S RIGHT"
the J-10 uses a WS-10, and didn't a TVC ver. showed up at the Zhuhai airshow not too long ago, even if the FC-1 is going to be less, develop on a new engine with TVC instead of having one that has TVC will jack up the price
What's the point of the FC-1? Stick it to Exporting!
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
Re: J-xx
china does not need to buy any more flankers. china already has 36 su-27s, 95 j-11s, and 100 su-30's. plus they have a liscence to build 105 mor j-11's with multirole capability, so that ensures a good supply of future flankers. concentrate on the j-10. we know they will have around 150, since they already have 50, and just ordered 100 more engines.
150+36+200+100=486 modern combat aircraft for china.
the j-8s still have some design potential, like a double delta wing and new radar and missles.
what china really needs to do is help it's bomber force. get 100 su-32's and a dozen backfires.
this will make sure china has a decent airforce until j-xx comes out.
btw, russia didn't offer india any better. the indians just upped their su-30's with tvc and french avionics. china could do the same.
tphuang said:
china does not need to buy any more flankers. china already has 36 su-27s, 95 j-11s, and 100 su-30's. plus they have a liscence to build 105 mor j-11's with multirole capability, so that ensures a good supply of future flankers. concentrate on the j-10. we know they will have around 150, since they already have 50, and just ordered 100 more engines.
150+36+200+100=486 modern combat aircraft for china.
the j-8s still have some design potential, like a double delta wing and new radar and missles.
what china really needs to do is help it's bomber force. get 100 su-32's and a dozen backfires.
this will make sure china has a decent airforce until j-xx comes out.
btw, russia didn't offer india any better. the indians just upped their su-30's with tvc and french avionics. china could do the same.
Re: J-xx
I've been seeing different number for the su27 family in the hands of PLAAF and PLAN.
24 su30mk2 with the PLAN, probably optimised for naval attack
76 su30mkk with the PLAAF, multirole air and ground attack AC with the ability to carry pretty much every weapon russians have in their inventory
105 J11 with an option to make another 95 (you had it other way around) but it seems those 95 will never be built, certainly not as su27SK licenced planes but something more multirole.
and finally 76 (not 36) Su27SK.
Trouble with SKs and J11s, of course being their inablity to carry any guided ground and sea attack weapons. Majority of them can't even carry R77s, i think just later produced J11 got slightly modified to be able to do that.
That being said i read about a $5 million a piece modification prog for all the SKs and J11s, making them multirole aircraft, among other stuff.
As for the engines, doesn't su27 use the same engine j10 uses? some of those 100 engines could be used for repair and maintenance of other aircraft than j10s. Also, one engine doesn't mean one aircraft, there's always a reserve for maintenance.
To sum it up, assuming there are some 30 J10s operational, China has 311 4th generation fighters by this date.
I do agree that china would seriously need some capable attack aircraft in serious numbers. Not necesarrily bombers like the backfire but su32 would do just great. That and making j8II into serious interceptor platforms, able to track and attack targets with newest AAMs.
I've been seeing different number for the su27 family in the hands of PLAAF and PLAN.
24 su30mk2 with the PLAN, probably optimised for naval attack
76 su30mkk with the PLAAF, multirole air and ground attack AC with the ability to carry pretty much every weapon russians have in their inventory
105 J11 with an option to make another 95 (you had it other way around) but it seems those 95 will never be built, certainly not as su27SK licenced planes but something more multirole.
and finally 76 (not 36) Su27SK.
Trouble with SKs and J11s, of course being their inablity to carry any guided ground and sea attack weapons. Majority of them can't even carry R77s, i think just later produced J11 got slightly modified to be able to do that.
That being said i read about a $5 million a piece modification prog for all the SKs and J11s, making them multirole aircraft, among other stuff.
As for the engines, doesn't su27 use the same engine j10 uses? some of those 100 engines could be used for repair and maintenance of other aircraft than j10s. Also, one engine doesn't mean one aircraft, there's always a reserve for maintenance.
To sum it up, assuming there are some 30 J10s operational, China has 311 4th generation fighters by this date.
I do agree that china would seriously need some capable attack aircraft in serious numbers. Not necesarrily bombers like the backfire but su32 would do just great. That and making j8II into serious interceptor platforms, able to track and attack targets with newest AAMs.
Chairman Hu
Banned Idiot
Re: J-xx
I think we all be happy if somehow the J-8 planes were turned into interceptors of the MiG-31 class, somehow...
I think we all be happy if somehow the J-8 planes were turned into interceptors of the MiG-31 class, somehow...
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