J-XX Fighter Aircraft

maglomanic said:

Removing Hud Altogether , don't you think is a little extreme? For the rudandancy's sake alone it would make more sense in my opinion. It does make sense to use HMS/HMD on helmet for effective Off boresight and perhaps for PGMs like JHMS but boy something goes wrong with that screen or anyof those gizmos right around pilot's head (short circuit and u have fried brain ) and u r left with your MFDS.Anyone?

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Chengdu J-10 said:

Now I've heard news and people talking about the two next fourth generation fighters know as J-XX (Stealth) and Super-10 (Twin Engine J-10). Super-10 sounds like and enlarged J-10, but still has the basic J-10 form while the J-XX has a different design not present in the PLAAF, simular to the F-22 in design.

Now wouldn't this be a theory that yes the PLAAF is developing the J-XX and Super-10 with normal liftoff. But what if now this is my theory that the J-XX is trying to distract the US in that they are just devloping a conventional take off fighter but in fact that is only half the story behind the J-XX project.

In fact the J-XX has two sides of the project a conventional take off and VSTOL fighter, one that everybody knows is the conventional take off but the other side which the PLAAF have hush hushed is the VSTOL. But the conventional one will comeout first as VSTOL is really damn hard. Probably like 2020ish VSTOL, 2013 Conventional, 2011 Super-10.

Just my thoughts, what are yours?

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f.hind said:

What niche will the Super-10 be filling? Doesn't the J-11B platform fill every role that the Super-10 would on a proven design? I can see the sense in replacing the J-10 with the super-10, but I can't see why the PLAAF would want both in service.

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crobato said:

I believe a similar system is being worked for the F-35.

If you look at the pictures closely, there is HUD controls, but there is no actual HUD display on the cockpit. And again, the tester is using a helmet under stationary indoor conditions. We have seen pictures of testers in this facility testing other cockpits for other aircraft like the J-10's, and they were not wearing helmets, just to clear off this idea they were wearing helmets just to see how the cockpit looks like inside a helmet visor.

Of course, a lot of people, like me, have their misgivings about a HUDless all helmet display, as that is a lot of display clutter in front of your eyes, which makes for eye fatigue, and all that equipment on your helmet makes a heavier helmet, which makes for neck fatigue.

So this cockpit is more of an experimental development one, and should not be taken as a final cockpit to any plane, even the J-XX. PLAAF tends to be a bit conservative even though China now is gizmo crazy.



I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. J-XX is so speculative at this point, I don't really like speculating on it because that tends to reflect the wishes of the thinker as compared to the actual plane. That only means its going to get actual valid data separate from the clutter of wishy thinking.

Its hard to say what Super 10 is.

To the Russians and I feel they have a valid point, the Super 10 is the J-10 with an enhanced thrust engine with TVC and a phase array for radar. Mind you, a J-10 fitted with TVC with high enough thrust can be a challenge to anything on the air in WVR combat.

Second Super 10 form is a Rafale like fighter with a single rudder and two WS-13 engines, Maybe the intakes are underslung with DSI, but they can also be twin V'ed like the FC-1 on the side with DSI.

Third Super 10 form is a MiG 1.44 like fighter with twin rudders and two WS-13 engines. Intakes underslung, either variable ramp or DSI.

Fourth Super 10 form is like the third but with bigger WS-10A engines.

Fifth Super 10 form is a much more radical redesign of the fighter from the 4th with VLO features. Looks more like an F-23 combined with a delta-canard.

My opinion. For the current J-10, the first alternative is the best way to go.

2nd and 4th options don't really have that much of a benefit over the first. IMO, probably a waste of time.

The fifth is what they should go after. Its better to redesign the plane completely if you're going to make that many changes rather than hobble yourself trying to reuse as much of the existing airframe.

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这是1月下旬确立的重点型号发图目标，是重点型号任务今年的一个重大节点。时间紧迫、形势逼人！当被问及能否按时完成发图任务时，设计员们异口同声地回答：“我们有信心！”

信心，在困难面前坚定

重点型号发图的困难主要在四个方面：技术难度大、协调量大、时间紧工作量大及多型号多任务并行。

重点型号外形布局变化大，但又要保证主要结构交点和设备接口不变，保证其他专业的延续性，尽量将全机的改动保持到最小。这无疑增加了难度。

涉及专业多，必然协调量大。总体专业在发图过程中，除了按有关总体控制文件严格监控飞机的总体技术状态外，还要积极配合结构和系统专业发图，及时协调处理各种技术问题。而前机身专业协调量尤为突出。前机身是机上设备主要的安装部位，又是操纵全机的驾驶员座舱所在位置，几乎与全机所有专业都有协调关系。

按计划，发图时间只有两个月。以前机身专业为例，全组13人，人均图量约为3 包图纸(每包有几百个A4图)。时间之紧，工作量之大可想而知。许多设计人员在承担重点型号发图任务的同时，也承担了其他项目工作。怎样使各项工作齐头并进按时完成，也是摆在大家面前的一道难题。

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措施，让大家更加从容

一航成都所从上到下总动员，在思想上统一认识，制定切实措施，让大家能够从容地应对困难，使发图工作稳步推进。

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科研管理部通过P3E项目管理平台，实施项目管理流程的优化，进一步明确职责，加强信息的沟通、反馈、跟踪和协调调度。发图目标下达后，相关研究室立即召开组长和技术骨干协调会，请大家提建议，集思广益。

总体专业在发图过程中定期清理技术状态，及时扫清发图障碍。每周清理《发图调度进展情况》，总体专业主动与有关专业进行协调，及时归零。总体专业不放过一丝质量问题，要求每个组员认真积极地配合工作。他们精心安排，确保总体专业负责的生产图、技术条件的质量。在组内任务繁重、人力资源十分紧张的情况下，“老中青”搭配，既锻炼了队伍，又确保发图质量及节点。

前机身专业对关键结构部位采取多方案优选、细化，组织组内、室内的讨论，同时请相关专业、厂里工艺人员先期介入，保证方案的可行及优化，为最后冲刺节省时间。他们不等不靠，主动出击，甚至为其他专业考虑方案；对一些迟迟不定的部位，先行发图，并做预留，在发图中再修改完善。组内经常进行技术交流，广泛讨论，尽量提高发图效率。

后机身专业则针对“多型号多任务并行”的情况，提前启动，在前期就做好了充分的准备——清理技术状态，制定了详细可靠的计划，调整了人力，尽量往前赶任务。

精神，在非常时期闪耀

结构室的夏银在完成份内任务的同时，还承担了他人分管的一些零件，并按时保质保量完成任务。他总爱说：“特殊时候特殊对待嘛。”

孙丽娟生病住院，出院第二天就正常上班，并与其他人一起加班发图。她说：“时间这么紧，我不能耽搁得太久了。”

邓章春、熊晓枫两人是刚进所的研究生，都新婚燕尔。他们没提休婚假，而是与全组人一道投入紧张的发图工作。

潘建东，这个去年才从上海调来、喜欢军机的小伙子，在原单位从来没有经历过“多型号多任务”。在同事们的帮助下，他很快进入角色，承担了一个框一个梁的设计任务，进展顺利。他把这归功于“关键是制定好计划，并严格遵守”。

吉芬除了承担重点型号发图工作外，还有另一项重大工作。开始发图以来，她的工作量比平时翻了一番。怎样做到两项工作都不误？吉芬说：“把每一点可以利用的时间利用起来，把两大项工作并行起来，确保型号研制的列车不在我手中耽误……”

日前，长线数控件设计发图已顺利完成，所有结构设计发图正在紧张进行。

图纸就是种子，在春天这个播种的季节，在“重点型号发图”的田野里，一航成都所的同志们辛勤耕耘、播种希望，并满怀信心收获胜利！（中国航空报）

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耿汝光指出，某型飞机静力试验机能够按计划交付，成绩来之不易。一航沈飞、一航沈阳所的广大员工及配套单位，为这个项目倾注了大量心血和精力。他强调，“十一五”期间，一航沈飞和一航沈阳所承担着繁重而艰巨的研制任务，还有大量的交付任务。艰巨的任务是挑战，但同时也是机遇。希望各单位能够排除万难，不辱使命，用我们的智慧和汗水，创造新的辉煌。耿汝光特别要求各单位要高度重视质量工作，只有通过扎扎实实的工作和质量系统的有效监控，才能确保产品是精品。他希望从事质量、检验系统人员严把质量关，科研生产线上的全体员工要始终把质量放在第一位，研制出高质量的产品，为我国航空工业的发展做出新的更大的贡献。

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crobato said:

Second Super 10 form is a Rafale like fighter with a single rudder and two WS-13 engines, Maybe the intakes are underslung with DSI, but they can also be twin V'ed like the FC-1 on the side with DSI.

Third Super 10 form is a MiG 1.44 like fighter with twin rudders and two WS-13 engines. Intakes underslung, either variable ramp or DSI.

Fourth Super 10 form is like the third but with bigger WS-10A engines.

Fifth Super 10 form is a much more radical redesign of the fighter from the 4th with VLO features. Looks more like an F-23 combined with a delta-canard.

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tphuang said:

basically this talks about SAC completing the prototype for static testing for a particular variant. This was ready to be delivered by May 20th for inspection. I'm guessing this could be the much talked about J-11BS, since I can't think of any other model that should be ready at this point.

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ikaleem said:

I was watching a program about F-22 Raptor on Military Channel yesterday and the analysts were all agreeing to the fact that next logical fighter after F-22 will be unmanned version.

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