J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

[Temstar]

2. The J-35A also serves as an aggressor aircraft, simulating the large numbers of F-35 in China's vicinity during BVR and close-range air combat training.

They also humorously suggested it would be a good stand in for KF-21 in DACT if you attach some weapons to pylons underneath it. It may be humorous but it's also very true: if you're a country who has beef with a country next door and the guys next door buy KF-21 then you can always one up them by buying J-35AE.

Recall this:

Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Why the heck are they bothering with a PLAN land based variant? Just make that, the PLAAF variant, and the export variant the same. He said he was guessing the variants, could be something else. But yeah, a land based variant doesn't make sense.

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This "four ways to eat a chicken" also came up again in this stream. Yankee said it was true there were plans many years ago for the four variants (and Yankee specifically said it was air force, carrier-based, export and land based naval), but those talks of four variants were very much pie in the sky dreams over at SAC and does not strongly correlate with whatever variants that will appear as the final result. The direction of the project was very much determined by PLA requirements and PLAN and PLAAF buy in came in at much later on in the project.

 

[00CuriousObserver]

Wow

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930903310384439604

 

[sf7pakistan]

Wow

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I'm treating this as a "big if true" but if the murmurs and the things I've heard to be believed then it's edging a lot towards the true part of my statement. Oh and the HQ-19 thing is a separate issue for now, that came out of left field for me too.

 

[Tomboy]

I'm treating this as a "big if true" but if the murmurs and the things I've heard to be believed then it's edging a lot towards the true part of my statement.

IMO, J-35 being offered is nothing new and KJ-500E for export has been long speculated and notice how they didn't mention actually signing a deal but just "offered". The biggest thing about this post is HQ-19 for export but I guess since its already been out long enough to be shown at Zhuhai last year it should be expected.

 

[sf7pakistan]

IMO, J-35 being offered is nothing new and KJ-500E for export has been long speculated and notice how they didn't mention actually signing a deal but just "offered". The biggest thing about this post is HQ-19 for export but I guess since its already been out long enough to be shown at Zhuhai last year it should be expected.

I think the PM's press office wants to show it as his personal win and that's why maybe they're saying that this is an offer rather than a done deal or maybe the military is mulling over all this. J-35s and KJ-500s were more or less understood to be coming but PAF's also eyeing the GlobalEye and there's stuff from Turkey that we wanna buy too which unfortunately doesn't come with the payment plans that the Chinese offer us. Or maybe it's the HQ-19 that's the new thing in this package and which has changed stuff.

IDK why we would even need ABM systems like that as due to the proximity missiles are as good as landed the moment they're launched either by India or Pakistan. We need better AD systems and SEAD/DEAD assets. Or maybe our AD isn't that bad and the guys were really being too cautious or maybe the HQ-19 is shit. I have no clue what's going on this whole thing is spinning my head around.

 

[naoseidenada]

will the J-35 be armed with infrared homing missiles, like the PL-10? Because it does not have side weapons bay and launching it from main weapons bay doesn´t seem adequate. Or it will be external carriage, like the F-35?

 

[mack8]

Sat image of J-35 (presumably at SAC) among others.

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[zyklon]

J-35s and KJ-500s were more or less understood to be coming but PAF's also eyeing the GlobalEye and there's stuff from Turkey that we wanna buy too which unfortunately doesn't come with the payment plans that the Chinese offer us.

Can you please tell us more about payment plans that Pakistan typically gets from China for gov't to gov't defense deals, and/or how the PAF's J-10C fleet was financed?

If you have any articles or papers on this topic in Urdu (or English), please don't hesitate to share!

Not trying to impose, but a better understanding of how Pakistan finances and pays for its defense imports may shed some light on just when and/or under what conditions the PAF will officially induct the J-35 into service.

Or maybe it's the HQ-19 that's the new thing in this package and which has changed stuff.

IDK why we would even need ABM systems like that as due to the proximity missiles are as good as landed the moment they're launched either by India or Pakistan. We need better AD systems and SEAD/DEAD assets. Or maybe our AD isn't that bad and the guys were really being too cautious or maybe the HQ-19 is shit. I have no clue what's going on this whole thing is spinning my head around.

Chinese sources have compared the HQ-19 to the THAAD and the proposed THAAD-ER; and IIRC, it was in fact designed and engineered with defeating Indian IRBMs like the Agni III and IV as a baseline requirement.

So the HQ-19 can definitely add to Pakistani AD capabilities in a meaningful way.

The problem is that it's an expensive system, so it's going to be tough to acquire enough batteries — even if localized production is made possible down the road — to safeguard Pakistan's many strategic C2 nodes, special munitions depots, major airbases, etc.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Wow

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If true then China wants Pakistan to go on the offensive next round. No other explanation. Guess they are tired of their attention being tied up in the West when AR is fast approaching.

 

[Gloire_bb]

If true then China wants Pakistan to go on the offensive next round. No other explanation. Guess they are tired of their attention being tied up in the West when AR is fast approaching.

Unrealistic.
Part I guess is lessons of last escalation, part is preparing for next round.
Both sides taken notes, and India by default is >10 times more prosperous, and the difference only grows with every year. Pakistan needs to be proactive at least in the air at this ratio, otherwise it will be like with the navy.

Part is arguably politics - 3 Jins of Pakistan aren't exactly popular, and India plus Chinese equipment gave a lot of needed legitimate patriotic support to the government.

Buying more of even better victorious tech is now a simple straightforward way to farm popular support. Courtesy of India.