J-20... The New Generation Fighter

Yes, definitely two different engines/aircrafts.

Note the details about the nozzle, for the darker nozzle (AL-31F?), there are only one cycle of "zigzag" around the nozzle, meanwhile, for lighter nozzle(WS-10G? or WS-15 prototype?), there are two layers of "zigzag" around the nozzles.

Its really surprised for me to see they have made most likely two prototypes, each with different jet engines.

It is not something that have never done before that prototype aircrafts with different jet engines, for instance, Russian's T-10, get prototypes with AL-31F prototypes and these with more matured AL-21F engines, however, this is done after T-10's maiden flight.

Its quite surprised to see that they get this done at such early stage (e.g. before maiden flight), which suggesting:

(1) They are very well funded.
(2) They really want to trade money for time.

So I would expect the flight-test stage for the fighter would be rather quick to finish, comparing to its peers.

Re: J-20... (IOT -- M2M2H2M)

We all know that China Central government is channeling huge sum of money USD 2.3 Trillions to perform R&D on the next 7 Big technology frontiers between 2011 -- 2015 (12th -- 5 year plan).
One of them is (IOT -- M2M2H2M) technology.


Could someone (who can read Chinese) please help us check ... ...

Is there anybody in China BBS (CJDBY + others) discussing if PLA is working to integrate all these toys to create a unique force multiplier platform that resemble the description below??

1) J-20
2) UCAV & URAV
3) Submarines
4) The Big AWACS
5) DF-21D AShBM


With the following arrangement ... ...

1) A squadron of J-20 (data link together) will act as the (most forward garrison) multiple mini AWACS platforms and acting as an airborne wireless digital switches to automatically relay and directly channel back and forth data links between (the URAV spotter, the UCAV drones,
Submarines, the regular AWACS planes, and the Central Command to locate the Carriers group.

2) While DF-21D AShBM battalion are waiting on the side for the launching signal from Central Command.


3) Once DF-21D AShBM are in the air, they will be automatically data link with every other PLA assets:
Such as (J-20, UCAV & URAV, Submarines, The Big AWACS)
to coordinate the simultaneous 360 degree attacks on the Carriers group.

4) Meanwhile J-20 will garrison the battle field front line to stop any penetration by any stealthy enemy aircraft.

5) The data link will use the (IOT -- M2M2H2M) tech

Hendrik_2000 said:

Courtesy Starikki from Keypub post this link

On 6th Jan, Chinese aircraft engine expert Gan Xiaohua was awarded First Class Merit Citation by The Military Commission of the Central Committee.

and that's news from official site of Ministry of National Defence

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That could mean something...

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Courtesy of Pinko from Keypub

The Ws-10G FADEC by Honglin ( AVIC Factory 143) is tailor made, and exclusively tested for powering the J-20 tentatively, it was reported widely in 08,2009, only we thought it's WS-15 prototype. AVIC factory 143 is NOT located in Shenyang but in Guizhou, quite close to Chengdu, Chengdu & Shenyang seem not getting so well as CAC never uses engines manufactured in Shengyang

But it's reported 2nd "Taihang" engine line will be out of Shenyang as well in X'ian.

The FADEC for WS-10 has certified as reported in official media ( AVIC website), now even the oridnary WS-10 manufactured now has come with FADEC

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1) Could someone please help us check if the aircraft engine expert Gan Xiao Hua (First Class Merit Citation by the Central Military Commission) is working for HONGLIN ( AVIC Factory 143)??

2) Does GXH has extra security guards as a precaution to prevent certain group of nations from assassinating him?

Thanks in advance.

Why, is the NSA planning to assassinate him?

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KYli, the video is removed. What a pity!

dingyibvs said:

Why, is the NSA planning to assassinate him?

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Uneasy Laugh.

As you know aircraft jet engine propulsion tech has been China choking bottleneck.
Human resources such as GXH are extremely valuable.
Eliminating GXH will set China back significantly.

Why do you think Israel Mossad have been assassinating Iranian Nuclear Scientists time and time again??

Seriously, NSA Assassins are working overtime to position themselves properly.
NSA can easily send a local thug with a poison knife to stab GXH in the back while he is out shopping with his family on Sunday.

As you know in China, when there is a crime in progress, most people are turning their heads the other way and acting cowardly, because they only care about their own safety.
I guess quietly dialing 110 to report the crime in progress -- never cross their mind.

Back to the J-20 topic.

I don't think he's the head designer of any particular engine time, I think he oversees the entire engine development program.

Bltizo said:

Not sure if people still remember this picture -- it was one of the most circulated configurations of the J-XX a few years back...

[IMG*]http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/772/j20cg1.jpg[/IMG]

It's surprisingly accurate, from the single piece canopy, to the DSI and location of the canards, the relative length, and even the LERX and blending of fuselage/wigns. Maybe when similar drawings and CGs start coming out for the Chinese 5th/6th generation fighter people won't be so quick to dismiss them

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Oh yes! Remember that quite clearly. That had been floating around for quite sometime. Hui Tong had it on his site for sometime too. Actually he took it off only when the real photos started to come in. Its quite surprising how accurate this CG is to the real thing.

Okay guys, I'm not so sure if the J-20 with white-tail is using WS-10/WS-10A anymore. I am starting to suscept the engines might actually be WS-15. My reasoning is as follow. First, the nozzle on the engines does not look like the nozzle of WS-10/WS-10A we have seen in airshows. Secondly, they already have a J-20 with AL-31 seving as interm engines. It doesn't make much sense to have yet another type of interm engine when their ultimate goal is to install WS-15. Installing WS-10/WS10A would mean they have to chunk out yet another prototype, which would cost more time and money. Thirdly, the big shots from the airforce spent a lot of time admiring the J-20 engines. If there is a big breakthrough with the WS-10 series, surely Shenyang Liming would want the spot light by inviting the big shots to the WS-10 factory instead. Lastly, the engineer who recently received the metal does not look like the engineer who headed the WS-10 project.

Any thought?

Engineer said:

Okay guys, I'm not so sure if the J-20 with white-tail is using WS-10/WS-10A anymore. I am starting to suscept the engines might actually be WS-15. My reasoning is as follow. First, the nozzle on the engines does not look like the nozzle of WS-10/WS-10A we have seen in airshows. Secondly, they already have a J-20 with AL-31 seving as interm engines. It doesn't make much sense to have yet another type of interm engine when their ultimate goal is to install WS-15. Installing WS-10/WS10A would mean they have to chunk out yet another prototype, which would cost more time and money. Thirdly, the big shots from the airforce spent a lot of time admiring the J-20 engines. If there is a big breakthrough with the WS-10 series, surely Shenyang Liming would want the spot light by inviting the big shots to the WS-10 factory instead. Lastly, the engineer who recently received the metal does not look like the engineer who headed the WS-10 project.

Any thought?

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I think the AL-31 was never expected to be the engine for even the early production models. I think the new engine is an upgraded variant of the WS-10, designed to be the engine for the first production models until the WS-15 is mature.