J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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pla101prc said:

no the exception is japan, ppl always underestimate japan and overestimate india. it'd be another 50yrs before india can independently make their own heavy stealth fighter. japan is already top notch in some areas. a lot of the f 22 parts were made in japan. and japan's economy is like 3 times the size of india's. india is not even close to where Japan and China are standing today

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But I'm talking potential. How much farther can Japan go? Not a lot. It's been in a slump that it can't get out in the past 2 decades. In order for Japan to start an arms race with China, it has to either invest larger % of GDP or pick up its economy in a major way. It can't do either. India, however, is growing. Plus its geopolitical position, India has a bright future.

The problem is that India is not moving fast enough. Looking back at India 30/40 years ago in terms of its comparative political/economical position in the world, it has not moved up too much (my own impression, need to find data to back me up). The key problem with India is its lack of infrastructure. Its industries are heavily isolated. For crying out loud, people traveling to India are still advised not to eat at most restaurants for sanitation concerns. this should not happen in a country that wants to think of itself among future leaders in the world.

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AssassinsMace said:

The criticism behind "transparency" is only an excuse not the reason. Does anyone really think the critics will ever be satisfied? China becomes "transparent" and they just move on to the next thing to complain about. Look at the Chinese military official who came out and said China should use space for military purposes. Isn't that transparency? China isn't getting kudos for that from the very same critics that want to weaponize space themselves.

As long as China has at the minimum the power to be independent and capable of defending herself, there will always be paranoia from the critics. They want something from China, they have to do something in return. Anything expected other than that is all about power over the other not mutual respect.

I just hope this "transparency" just means there's something more advanced coming up.

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Look at it this way, people are paranoid about China because it is a giant with huge power. No one would be nervous about an ant-sized nation, no matter how wealthy it is.

Yep, I am definitely one of those "glass-half-full" guys

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Economic growth in India never started to really accelerate until the reforms of the 1990s. I think they're the only country other than the US that can challenge Chinese domination of the 21st century.

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Mcsweeney said:

Economic growth in India never started to really accelerate until the reforms of the 1990s. I think they're the only country other than the US that can challenge Chinese domination of the 21st century.

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India can't accumulate its forex the way like China. Has it able to accumulate $100billion surplus even in one yr? China had done it many many yrs . Now the western economy has collapsed. India can't hope to duplicate China's forex accumulation even in the future. That's history. The best period of capital/wealth accumulation is gone and never comes back.
Bascially, China has catched the fastest trainride at the right time and right place.

Not to mention, CHina has surrounded by advanced economies like Japan, SK, Taiwan, Singapore in its immedaite neighborhood while surrounding India are all poor countries. It will have an effect even thought it's a globalization world nowadays.

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Speaking about India...
Maybe their FGFA will be ready for its maiden flight at the end of this year?

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I have a question, which is kind of off topic. India has been geopolitically important because it is located on the trade route from Europe and East Asia since the traditional trading has been between the two ends of the Eurasian continent. As the geopolitical focus potentially shifts to the Pacific, India will be out of the loop, so to speak. So this mean India will potentially be left behind? Is this a fantasy or something that could happen?

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vesicles said:

I have a question, which is kind of off topic. India has been geopolitically important because it is located on the trade route from Europe and East Asia since the traditional trading has been between the two ends of the Eurasian continent. As the geopolitical focus potentially shifts to the Pacific, India will be out of the loop, so to speak. So this mean India will potentially be left behind? Is this a fantasy or something that could happen?

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It's not the trade route that's important. But the hightech supply chain , and manufacturing and design in the western pacific rim.

India doesn't even have one single IC fab in the country.

It will get left behind.

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By the way, China has spent the last 30 yrs on fighter jet engine development.
and looks like it almost going to breakthrough, while India hasn't begin its first jet engine yet. You can't skip it. you have to go through it.

Now it might be too late for them to do any jet engine development. You can't skip 3rd gen jet engine development and going for the 4 th gen jet engine. And there will be no foreign JV available for India to absorb the 4th gen engine development.

There's no use for India to spend another 15 to 20 yrs now to do 3rd gen jet engine development. It's too late.

The train has passed by.

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lilzz said:

By the way, China has spent the last 30 yrs on fighter jet engine development.
and looks like it almost going to breakthrough, while India hasn't begin its first jet engine yet. You can't skip it. you have to go through it.

Now it might be too late for them to do any jet engine development. You can't skip 3rd gen jet engine development and going for the 4 th gen jet engine. And there will be no foreign JV available for India to absorb the 4th gen engine development.

There's no use for India to spend another 15 to 20 yrs now to do 3rd gen jet engine development. It's too late.

The train has passed by.

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Unlike china, india can import almost whatever conventional military equipment it wants, western or russian. Theres not much of an incentive to develop independent domestic industries.

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kroko said:

Unlike china, india can import almost whatever conventional military equipment it wants, western or russian. Theres not much of an incentive to develop independent domestic industries.

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Which is probably why many believe that India can't catch China. I think the fact that China can't get help from most of the Western nations is a good fortune in disguise. It forces China to be innovative and be independent. In the end, China will have a well-developed defense industry.