MiG-29
Banned Idiot
In Latin american Brazil is the nation with the most of interest in trading and exchanging technology with China, well Brazil is a pretty large economy, Brazil has been the architect of the current south american political thinking, for Brazilian politicians China is a partner as long as technology is shared and China buys raw materials, but there is a big difference between Brazil and Mexico, Mexico competes with China for the same products, cars, electronic goods etc etc... while China buys Brazilian raw materials and share high tech like aerospace products.For a while I participated in a quite large Argentine defence forum for the purpose of practicing Spanish mainly, as other Spanish-speaking countries/forums are unpopular and with much fewer updates. As we’re all aware that Argentina is facing intense disputes with the UK on Malvina(Falklands) and Argentina’s mil aviation is still in the age of 1980s with old 3-gen Mirages and needs urgent updates… Politics aside, purely from military fans’ point of view it’s quite logical to anticipate Argentina considering Chinese planes and other Chinese mil gears due to their fear of being sold out by the Western vendors in times of need. It’s quite a revelation though to see what they think.
You just can’t believe it what I found out: out of every 10 active members, I’d say 2 had a slightly fair view on Chinese gears, 4 no clue whatsoever, and the rest 4 mostly being main contributers/mods themselves, had nothing but absolutely despise towards anything that is made in China out of kind of hatred. Made-in-China represents nothing, absolutely nothing more than a cheap clone of either Russian or Israel. It’s very hard to have ANY positive comment on J-20, and for that matter J-10s , J-11B, JF-17, etc., “all are shoddy copies of Lavi or Russian planes anyway”.
Being a quite popular member -- due to being the most hated one, if you really want to know. Yeeks?! -- in my short stay there, I frequently caused huge uproars even by charmingly mentioning my observations for instance that J-11B is different from and better than Su-27 block I, or Chinese aviation industry is catching up , or Chinese electronics industry as a whole perhaps has already overtaken Russia’s as reflected by the facts that J-20’s avionics are developed in China by the Chinese while those of Su-35, Russia’s best, are outsourced from Korea…the negative reactions were so overwhelming that I finally gave up arguing with them. It seems that it’s much easier for many of them to *honestly* comprehend the story that the Frenchmen, the true genius behind Rafale – a quasi 5th gen in their view, have built a permanent manned station on Mars than idea that the Chinese might have been overtaking the Russians in electronics… needless to say my Spanish was quite good now and I quitted that forum.
So the universal law that “anything made-in-China (including Huawei) =cheap & shoddy copy” is not only monopolised by some of the US and Europe, but by many other places as well. Some people genuinely believe so as in my Argentine case. How to rationalise it? A combined feeling of arrogance, fear/insecure (due to unknown) and a little bit envy, on top of some ignorance, perhaps?
Your view of argentina and latin america is not well developed, Argentina was one of the first nations to put a monkey into space with their own technology, yeah probably few know that, argentina built one of the first jet fighters in the world in the 1950s
[video=youtube;8eZ0lKsfkCk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eZ0lKsfkCk&feature=relmfu[/video]
The mono Juan (John the monkey) was one of the first animals to be put into space, argentina has its own technology, however Argentina is barely a 40 million people nation and today is a partner of Brazil, so Argentinians are very proud about the technical feats, in fact in satellites and nuclear reactors argentina is world leader.
But as a small nation they can not spend billions of dollars in military hardware, so today they buy Chinese technology, that basicly is based upon tech transfers.
But they might buy in the future chinese hardware but J-20 i doubt it
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