J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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Blitzo

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you better stop before you end up arguing none stop with Mig-29.;)

Been there, done that, already planning to end it before it starts :p

Guys let's just ignore the whole vs thing Mig 29 is spinning... we don't want the J-20 thread to again be thrown off its rails. (by him...)
 
Been there, done that, already planning to end it before it starts :p

Guys let's just ignore the whole vs thing Mig 29 is spinning... we don't want the J-20 thread to again be thrown off its rails. (by him...)

Yea, don't give Fulcrum one more topic to turn this thread into non-J-20. He's always more than eager to share his thoughts on PAK-FA, which he demonstrated his thoughts on just one aircraft alone is enough for him to produce volumes of "material" equivalent to writing the Old Testament and the New.
 

latenlazy

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Yea, don't give Fulcrum one more topic to turn this thread into non-J-20. He's always more than eager to share his thoughts on PAK-FA, which he demonstrated his thoughts on just one aircraft alone is enough for him to produce volumes of "material" equivalent to writing the Old Testament and the New.

I would love to see his sources on that claim about Japan's radar though...
 

MiG-29

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@Mig I made no assessment of the japanese aerospace industry (or the respective air forces, or the development of individual subsystems) in either of my past two posts, only commenting on the time difference between J-20 and shinshin, and the difference to which they've been publicized. You're the one inferring something which isn't there and drawing out a vs debate :)

it is hard to know what state are the japanese, plus i do not think you can fly a stealth fighter and 7 years later be in operational service, unless the design is not fully developed, to give an example, the Russians flew MiG-23 in 1967, they rushed to deploy it in 1971 but the jet still had troubles in 1977.
So if J-20 is rushed into operational service, you can get two possible results, one is a redesign of J-20 by 2020 and get something like a J-20II like J-8 was redesigned into the J-8II, or you end up having a fighter like F-35 that is highly criticized by price scalations and design flaws.

In my opinion all the current stealth fighters will be operational in the 2020s, not earlier, because maturing the engine technology for China will be the most difficult hurdle, and it will take at least 7-10 years to mature the technology.
So to expect a J-20 in 2018 is for my more a goal than a set date, the J-20 program can move that date as many other programs have.
It might happen who knows the J-20 enters operational service in 2018, but the future is hard to predict, and i guess a 2020-2023 might be a more realistic date
 

Player99

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I would love to see his sources on that claim about Japan's radar though...

So would I! I came here to learn. If anyone has the sources to reveal exciting stuff, regardless of whose it is about, I'm all for it! Hehe...

And if it risks derailing the thread, how about a new thread, Mig-29?
 

Blitzo

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@ Mig 29 That's a whole different issue then. Personally I'm taking general he weirong's date with good faith, and most other people are too.
the PLA are not known to exaggerate their dates and numbers when they do an interview or public information release type shenanigan.

But sure, I'll accept that most projects are delayed to some degree or another. By how much will be a different question, and how long shinshin's own "inevitable" (by your train of thought) delay will be.
 

AssassinsMace

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I agree that might as well put a tie fighter in that picture. Make the same conclusions as they did for China being dependent on Russia for everything. You'd figure it would be less expensive in the long run to develop fighters on their own if they were on par with the ones they buy from others. Since they don't and keep on importing, make the same conclusions as they do of China.
 

MiG-29

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I would love to see his sources on that claim about Japan's radar though...

F-2 has an AESA radar, it is well known, that the japanese have very advanced radars

Their newest AAM-4 has an AESA radar read
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@ Mig 29 That's a whole different issue then. Personally I'm taking general he weirong's date with good faith, and most other people are too.
the PLA are not known to exaggerate their dates and numbers when they do an interview or public information release type shenanigan.

But sure, I'll accept that most projects are delayed to some degree or another. By how much will be a different question, and how long shinshin's own "inevitable" (by your train of thought) delay will be.

it is hard to know unless it is 2018, we are in 2012, so who know it might happen it might not, but other stealth fighters have taken from first flight to operational service at least 15 years to more or less be ready so just be also open to accept other possibilities
 

latenlazy

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F-2 has an AESA radar, it is well known, that the japanese have very advanced radars

Their newest AAM-4 has an AESA radar read
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Japan having advanced radars is fine and well known, but you claimed that the F-2 has a more advanced radar than any Chinese fighter. I would wonder how you reached that conclusion, but okay w/e.
 

Blitzo

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it is hard to know unless it is 2018, we are in 2012, so who know it might happen it might not, but other stealth fighters have taken from first flight to operational service at least 15 years to more or less be ready so just be also open to accept other possibilities

CAC and 611 institute are not lockmart (for good or for worse depending on your interpretation :p ), and PLA are not known for having modest projections. Sure, why not keep an open mind, and that goes for all of us.
 
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