Hey... They left the engines of the J-20 hidden in flames... Now we'll never know if the production J-20 has 2D TVC, conventional, 3D, or whatever....
Also, what's "YYing"?
mental masturbation.
J-20... The New Generation Fighter III
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mental masturbation.
I'm sorry I asked.
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The tailless version was purportedly the fighter bomber version of the F-3, which is what FB-22 would've been to the F-22.
MiG-29
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The Japanese are not way behind to the J-20, F-2 has a much more advanced Radar than any chinese fighter and they are operational, in fact one of the most advanced radars in the world, the state of the F-3 actually is difficult to know, but their fighter is expected to fly by 2015-2016.
In fact the F-35 are only going to replace F-4s, the F-15s are expected to be replaced by F-3
[video=youtube;495b5SVXJUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=495b5SVXJUA[/video]
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So that's what, 4-6 years after J-20 makes its first flight? And J-20's expected to come into service 2017-2018, two years after shinshin's first flight.
And shinshin is a demonstrator (?), so add a few more years to develop it into a real fighter prototype. at least four years behind, probably more too.
Not taking anything away from F-2's radar either or the japanese aerospace industry, though a radar doesn't exactly make an industry...
Was only a comment on timelines between J-20 and shinshin, and how the latter's been publicized a lot more
And shinshin is a demonstrator (?), so add a few more years to develop it into a real fighter prototype. at least four years behind, probably more too.
Not taking anything away from F-2's radar either or the japanese aerospace industry, though a radar doesn't exactly make an industry...
Was only a comment on timelines between J-20 and shinshin, and how the latter's been publicized a lot more
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i do not think you are an insider of japanese industry, but i can tell you Japan is not behind in aerospace technology at all, but okay we do need to drag the discussion, because any stealth fighter takes at leasty 10 years of test flights, the J-20 in its current form does not have TVC nozzles which means they will need at least 3-5 years to more or less test an engine of that type, a more realistic scenario is a full developed J-20 will be by 2020-2023 and a F-3 by 2025-2028, but Japan already bought F-35s to be delivered in 2016, so actually, Japan will get 45 F-35s by 2018, so basicly Japan is not so behind, Japan can only behind when China test TVC nozzles and are operational and J-20 proves it has supercruise flight.So that's what, 4-6 years after J-20 makes its first flight? And J-20's expected to come into service 2017-2018, two years after shinshin's first flight.
And shinshin is a demonstrator (?), so add a few more years to develop it into a real fighter prototype. at least four years behind, probably more too.
Not taking anything away from F-2's radar either or the japanese aerospace industry, though a radar doesn't exactly make an industry...
Was only a comment on timelines between J-20 and shinshin, and how the latter's been publicized a lot more
2-5 years of difference is nothing, why? because frankly both programs are still very secretive and we know very little.
Hehe... So, Mig-29, you are more of an insider to the Chinese fighter development than Gen. He Weirong? I trust you are aware of his TV intervew of 2009 (or 2010?), during which he specified that China's stealth fighter would be inducted around 2018 (I don't remenber the exact wording but I'm sure it's something to that effect)...
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@Mig I made no assessment of the japanese aerospace industry (or the respective air forces, or the development of individual subsystems) in either of my past two posts, only commenting on the time difference between J-20 and shinshin, and the difference to which they've been publicized. You're the one inferring something which isn't there and drawing out a vs debate
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So that's what, 4-6 years after J-20 makes its first flight? And J-20's expected to come into service 2017-2018, two years after shinshin's first flight.
And shinshin is a demonstrator (?), so add a few more years to develop it into a real fighter prototype. at least four years behind, probably more too.
Not taking anything away from F-2's radar either or the japanese aerospace industry, though a radar doesn't exactly make an industry...
Was only a comment on timelines between J-20 and shinshin, and how the latter's been publicized a lot more
you better stop before you end up arguing none stop with Mig-29.
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