J-20... The New Generation Fighter III
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Huzhigeng said that the J-20 is 20.3 meters long from nose to tail and has a wingspan of 13.4 meters.
I have a question-these types of tests during diplomatic meetings seems to be a habbit now. But what is the point of it? Most of us over here don't really understand it. Is it some type of message? Some folks here think it's the PLA undercutting the foreign ministry. Is there any truth to this?
Bogus claims by Western media.
Don't think so. They've been testing J-20 frequently recently. It would look the same if Biden had arrived a few days earlier or later.
If there was a message I'd like to think it's the PLA saying they don't really care about political correctness. Business as usual for them whether comes Biden, Mullen, Gates or Obama himself.
Martian
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Huzhigeng's estimate is consistent with my upper-limit estimate from months ago.
China J-20 Mighty Dragon is roughly the size of a Su-27
The wheels on the J-20 and Su-27 are about the same size. Same thing for length of cockpit, size of pilots' heads, size of pilot helmets, and engine size.
J-20 Mighty Dragon and Su-27 comparison
[Note: Thank you to "MIG-23MLD" for the picture.]
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Pixel-by-pixel analysis confirms China J-20 Mighty Dragon is the size of a Su-27UB
You are quite right, I examine the picture pixel by pixel - everything seems to line up almost perfectly, EXCEPT the pilot's head - either Chinese pilot's head is enormous (its about 130% larger) or the J-20 is smaller.
For some reason, J-20 looks closer to the camera hence the pilot looks larger. If you scale it down slightly, I think it might even be smaller than F-22 or PAK FA.
Also Su-27UB is 21.9 m long, from tip of the nose to the end of the boom, even measuring against that J-20 is shorter by quite a bit.
[Note: Thank you to "Asymptote" for the post and analysis.]
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The only message being sent is from the media trying to portray the J-20 is so dangerous and unreliable to be flown that China only lets it fly for propaganda purposes. The media is really immature. I read an internet article from boing boing where apparently they saw the T-50 for the first time flying at MAKS. They charged it was a rip-off of the F-22.
You can't just assume they will have the same wheel size or cockpit size. Engine size might be a good starting point, but they're small enough so that a small variation of measurement can create large errors.Huzhigeng's estimate is consistent with my upper-limit estimate from months ago.
China J-20 Mighty Dragon is roughly the size of a Su-27
The wheels on the J-20 and Su-27 are about the same size. Same thing for length of cockpit, size of pilots' heads, size of pilot helmets, and engine size.
J-20 Mighty Dragon and Su-27 comparison
[Note: Thank you to "MIG-23MLD" for the picture.]
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Pixel-by-pixel analysis confirms China J-20 Mighty Dragon is the size of a Su-27UB
You are quite right, I examine the picture pixel by pixel - everything seems to line up almost perfectly, EXCEPT the pilot's head - either Chinese pilot's head is enormous (its about 130% larger) or the J-20 is smaller.
For some reason, J-20 looks closer to the camera hence the pilot looks larger. If you scale it down slightly, I think it might even be smaller than F-22 or PAK FA.
Also Su-27UB is 21.9 m long, from tip of the nose to the end of the boom, even measuring against that J-20 is shorter by quite a bit.
[Note: Thank you to "Asymptote" for the post and analysis.]
CottageLV
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Comparing random pictures is the dumbest thing someone can do. Even Kim Jung Il can look taller than Clington (188cm/6 ft 2) if the angle is right.
Martian
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It is perfectly legitimate to compare two planes that are in side-profile. There are no camera tricks involved. I should also point out that my analysis from months ago, when many others claimed the J-20 was 23m or more, was correct. Being accurate is vindication of my insight and method. Your criticisms are meritless.
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