J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

Centrist · May 11, 2011

Player99 said:
I was going to say what I'm about to say on the other forum where I already have participated occasionally since the J-10 era. But I couldn't get onto it at this time. So let me let myself in by pretending that I really know something for sure that nobody here seems to know.

Now here's the shocker: The blue flame from the after burner is actually faked or PSed. Put the other way, none of the real J-20 related photos and videos ever showed any flame from the rear. This after-burn stuff is faked by someone who wished to convince the world that the J-20 was flying with the Russian engines. That's it.

Now let's wait and see if this claim stands. The J-20 probably will be inducted far sooner than most outsiders have expected.

I don't think that they faked it with the sole intention of making us believe it had Russian engines. Most people wouldn't even think to look at exhaust color in the first place.

Could be a photoshop job though...

maxx · May 11, 2011

Quickie said:
AFAIK, Saturn AL-xx series of engines have blue afterburner. The few pictures I saw of the TH in afterburner show them to be pinkish to orange. American F-1xx engines have orange afterburners. As for WS-15, not much information that I know of.

There'll be exceptions for a variety of reasons, example being overexposed shots in dim light or during nighttime, but the norms are bright daylight pictures are as such.

I think the flame colour is mostly affected by type of chemical composition of fuel and fuel/air ratio, the latter dictates how rich/lean the engine operates. Therefore, I don't think this is a good way to identify an engine.

Quickie · May 11, 2011

maxx said:
I think the flame colour is mostly affected by type of chemical composition of fuel and fuel/air ratio, the latter dictates how rich/lean the engine operates. Therefore, I don't think this is a good way to identify an engine.

Well, it's up to the person to make of what all the picture evidences that's available to him/her, notwithstanding all the factors - other than the engine types - including those that you mentioned that can result in producing an afterburner of a certain colour. The fact of the matter is how many pictures of the normally exposed (full daylight) pictures of the F-1xx engine in orange afterburner can you find as opposed to those in blue. Ditto for the AL-xx engines.

Asymptote · May 11, 2011

Re: China J-20 Mighty Dragon roars with a blue flame

Asymptote said:
Flying with parachute housing open? That's kinda odd isn't it?

delft said:
It is not odd, when you are about to land, as he clearly is.

Bltizo said:
Not if you're about to land.

Martian said:

So, its not odd in the picture above the J-20 was clearly taking off but with parachute housing open?
(Well, you don't engage afterburner (the blue flame supposely) unless you are taking off right?)

I am still questioning if that's actually parachute housing.

Asymptote · May 11, 2011

cn_habs said:
Look at the raw edges and finish on the PAK-50. It's basically a modified stealthy Su-27 with RAM coating. I doubt they had the necessary resources to make it as advanced as the J-20.

I don't think most people here are biaised enough to say that J-20 is as good as the F-22. It's really a no-brainer here.

I could say the same thing about F-22.

"Look at the raw edges and finish on the F-22. It's basically a modified stealthy version of F-15 with RAM coating!"

Or China's J-20 -

"Look at the raw edges and finish on the J-20. It's basically a twin-engines modified stealthy version of J-10 with RAM coating!"! (sacasm)

airsuperiority · May 11, 2011

Re: China J-20 Mighty Dragon roars with a blue flame

Asymptote said:
So, its not odd in the picture above the J-20 is clearing taking off but with parachute housing open?
(Well, you don't engage afterburner (the blue flame supposely) unless you are taking off right?)

I am still questioning if that's actually parachute housing.

It can't be the airbrakes by any chance can it?

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siegecrossbow · May 11, 2011

To be fair it is logical for Chengdu to base their design off the J-10. After all they had years of windtunnel data with canard delta designs even before they started with J-10. It is their most familiar airframe.

The J-20 looked particularly similar to the J-10, I thought, in the picture where a J-10 was chasing it. The resemblance is restricted to bottom outline though. Side views and frontal views couldn't be more different.

i.e. · May 11, 2011

Re: China J-20 Mighty Dragon roars with a blue flame

Asymptote said:
So, its not odd in the picture above the J-20 was clearly taking off but with parachute housing open?
(Well, you don't engage afterburner (the blue flame supposely) unless you are taking off right?)

I am still questioning if that's actually parachute housing.

for aborted take off.

i.e. · May 11, 2011

siegecrossbow said:
To be fair it is logical for Chengdu to base their design off the J-10. After all they had years of windtunnel data with canard delta designs even before they started with J-10. It is their most familiar airframe.

The J-20 looked particularly similar to the J-10, I thought, in the picture where a J-10 was chasing it. The resemblance is restricted to bottom outline though. Side views and frontal views couldn't be more different.

Mirage 2000 vs Mirage 4000.

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