J-20... The New Generation Fighter II
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Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
Surely the US is keeping a sharp eye on those facilities in the Gobi. So Gates must have known what J-20 looked like and that it flew before he went to Beijing. Which put a new twist on that discussion about Hu knowing about the public test flight and about the timing of that flight.
Surely the US is keeping a sharp eye on those facilities in the Gobi. So Gates must have known what J-20 looked like and that it flew before he went to Beijing. Which put a new twist on that discussion about Hu knowing about the public test flight and about the timing of that flight.
Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
Imaginary, not actual quote! Just having some fun with the "new twist"
Gate: "Mr. Hu, I heard that your G4 fighter just had the first flight?"
Hu: (Didn't we fly months ago? What's going on? I need to ask.....)
Imaginary, not actual quote! Just having some fun with the "new twist"
Gate: "Mr. Hu, I heard that your G4 fighter just had the first flight?"
Hu: (Didn't we fly months ago? What's going on? I need to ask.....)
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Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
...was that THE actual quote? source?
...was that THE actual quote? source?
Sorry, just having some fun! Not quote.
kwaigonegin
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Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
I agree completely. Most westerners failed to realize the significance of "saving face" in the chinese culture. It is so ingrained in their mentality that to be publicly embarassed, in many ways is worst than death itself.
The Chinese pride can sometimes be a liability. They've put businessmen to death not so much because of the crime itself BUT in no small way because they brought shame to the country, company etc. The Japanese phyche is not too different either.
I agree completely. Most westerners failed to realize the significance of "saving face" in the chinese culture. It is so ingrained in their mentality that to be publicly embarassed, in many ways is worst than death itself.
The Chinese pride can sometimes be a liability. They've put businessmen to death not so much because of the crime itself BUT in no small way because they brought shame to the country, company etc. The Japanese phyche is not too different either.
Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
I know how important face is, that is why we were all shocked that the test flight was so public. But all I am saying is that if it flew before, it wasnt flown in Chengdu. Unless they had a way of dismantling the plane, transporting it, rebuilding it, flying it, without a single soul noticing, I think it is unlikely. We have people on this forum who have connections, I'd find it hard to believe that they missed the secret test flight. They still kept the landing gear down in the latest flight, which also indicates that it was the first. But again, who knows.
I know how important face is, that is why we were all shocked that the test flight was so public. But all I am saying is that if it flew before, it wasnt flown in Chengdu. Unless they had a way of dismantling the plane, transporting it, rebuilding it, flying it, without a single soul noticing, I think it is unlikely. We have people on this forum who have connections, I'd find it hard to believe that they missed the secret test flight. They still kept the landing gear down in the latest flight, which also indicates that it was the first. But again, who knows.
vesicles
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Re: Saw-toothed doors don't matter if engine compressor blades are exposed
we may have people with connections and someone on this forum may also know about the supposed secret test flight in advance. But no one would want to risk exposing a national secret by revealing an actual secret test flight to the public... That would potentially be a treason. As a matter of fact, one of the rules of this forum is not to reveal actual secrets on the internet. We all know how such a person would be treated in any nation. China has too many such examples to list, but in the US, we have Dr. Wen Ho-Lee who got 9 month jail for revealing nothing and only bringing his own work back home... Imagine how our beloved fellow forum member would be treated if he/she actually let us know about the secret test flight...
Let's face it. One sure way of keeping a secret is to limit the number of people knowing it. This means it would be extremely easy to find out who leaks the info IF it got leaked. Anyone who might have a knowledge of such high-profile event must be pretty high-up, which means this person has a lot to lose for exposing a national secret. No one would be dumb enough to risk losing everything he/she has, including his/her own life, just to satisfy our curiosity. For a couple million dollars, maybe, but definitely not for free by letting us know on the forum.
Transporting a plane without anyone knowing is an easy task for a govn't. They could also simply do the initial assembly near their secret test site in Gobi. I think we can all agree that moving parts is an easy task.
we may have people with connections and someone on this forum may also know about the supposed secret test flight in advance. But no one would want to risk exposing a national secret by revealing an actual secret test flight to the public... That would potentially be a treason. As a matter of fact, one of the rules of this forum is not to reveal actual secrets on the internet. We all know how such a person would be treated in any nation. China has too many such examples to list, but in the US, we have Dr. Wen Ho-Lee who got 9 month jail for revealing nothing and only bringing his own work back home... Imagine how our beloved fellow forum member would be treated if he/she actually let us know about the secret test flight...
Let's face it. One sure way of keeping a secret is to limit the number of people knowing it. This means it would be extremely easy to find out who leaks the info IF it got leaked. Anyone who might have a knowledge of such high-profile event must be pretty high-up, which means this person has a lot to lose for exposing a national secret. No one would be dumb enough to risk losing everything he/she has, including his/her own life, just to satisfy our curiosity. For a couple million dollars, maybe, but definitely not for free by letting us know on the forum.
Transporting a plane without anyone knowing is an easy task for a govn't. They could also simply do the initial assembly near their secret test site in Gobi. I think we can all agree that moving parts is an easy task.
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