J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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BMEWS

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Is there a significance to this image?

It is a 3D image of the J-20, btw why are you going after every single one of my posts and harassing me publicly? If you think something I posted is against the rules you can contact a moderator or PM me in private. Are you a moderator? Why are you talking it upon yourself to repeatedly and incessantly dig through my posts, single me out for no good reason, and then proceed to bully and harass me? What have I ever done to you?

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free_6ix9ine

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In military strategy parlance “offensive power” refers to the power to invade and hold territory, while “defensive power” refers to the power to the obstruct and evade invasion. Ballistic missiles are not “offensive” in that sense.

I misunderstood, but even by that definition. The J-20 is a defensive platform without air-to-air refueling, global bases, or deployable off aircraft carriers, since it doesn't have the range for offensive operations. Yes, China has some capibilities for all 3, but they are still very new at the game, and the capability is limited at best.
 

GoldenFalcon

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Ballistic missiles forms China's offensive firepower. The air force is really second to the ballistic missile force, for a variety of reasons. China's main concerns are at near-shore conflict zones, Taiwan, SCS, that could end up in high-intensity conflicts. Ballistic missiles are much more suited for high intensity conflicts, since they are hard to intercept etc. Plus ballistic missiles are cheaper to develop and technologically less intense than fighter aircraft which might not even survive in an high intensity conflict anyways. That's why you see countries like Iran and North Korea also focus on their missile force than airforce. Because missiles are cheaper to develop and harder to interecept than aircraft. Iran basically has a cobbled up airforce from the 70's, that relies on cannabilizing parts, while north korea has an outdated air-force from the 50's, that doesn't even have sufficient fuel.

The US focuses on their airforce more because they don't envision fighting an high intensity war where aircraft are not as useful. Instead they plan on small wars against weaker adversaries across the globe with no air defense systems, and the need to drop ordinance accurately and cheaply using airplanes is more important than survivability. That's why the US doesn't really focus all that much on their missile force (partly because they signed a treaty) but also because they don't really have a use for it, besides nuclear war.

The J-20 is more of a prestige project than anything that China really needs in any of the conflicts that could happen, to demonstrate that China has the capability to develop a 5th gen aircraft. Thats why there won't be hundreds of J-20's.

TLDR: Ballistic missiles have a higher return on investment than fighter/multirole aircraft when it comes to high intensity war. It is easier to shoot down a stealth jet, than it is to shoot down a ballistic missile.

There will be hundreds of J-20s. The notion that China wouldn't exercise its industrial strength to create a formidable modern Air Force and assert itself across SE Asia is laughable. This isn't the slow, steady, and non-aggressive Politburo that guided the country in the 80s, 90s, & 00s. This is a more assertive and aggressive Politburo that is being increasingly agitated by the United States and feels the need to provide an appropriate response. They will need a powerful Air Force to compliment their ever increasing Navy.

And do not be fooled by the current US missile inventory. Once the US Armed Forces mature their respective designs, they will increase production dramatically to provide a deterrent and deploy them in the region to reassure their allies. Both countries are going to start playing by different rule as the game continues to evolve.
 

by78

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It is a 3D image of the J-20, btw why are you going after every single one of my posts and harassing me publicly? If you think something I posted is against the rules you can contact a moderator or PM me in private. Are you a moderator? Why are you talking it upon yourself to repeatedly and incessantly dig through my posts, single me out for no good reason, and then proceed to bully and harass me? What have I ever done to you?

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How is a that image significant? Where is it from? Does it reveal anything we should know?

Could you calm down? SDF operates differently. Members here are free to ask questions and point out mistakes, a freedom not just afforded moderators. You shouldn't take that as a personal attack.
 

BMEWS

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How is a that image significant? Where is it from? Does it reveal anything we should know?

Could you calm down? SDF operates differently. Members here are free to ask questions and point out mistakes, a freedom not just afforded moderators. You shouldn't take that as a personal attack.

Okay, maybe I should post it in the 3d images post since its not a photography but a 3d image...
if you think that would be the best move then I can move it, although this forum doesn't seem to let me edit/delete my own posts so I guess someone would do it for me?
 

free_6ix9ine

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There will be hundreds of J-20s. The notion that China wouldn't exercise its industrial strength to create a formidable modern Air Force and assert itself across SE Asia is laughable. This isn't the slow, steady, and non-aggressive Politburo that guided the country in the 80s, 90s, & 00s. This is a more assertive and aggressive Politburo that is being increasingly agitated by the United States and feels the need to provide an appropriate response. They will need a powerful Air Force to compliment their ever increasing Navy.

And do not be fooled by the current US missile inventory. Once the US Armed Forces mature their respective designs, they will increase production dramatically to provide a deterrent and deploy them in the region to reassure their allies. Both countries are going to start playing by different rule as the game continues to evolve.


Politics aside, even if that's their plan (which I disagree with). But lets put that aside for now. Ballistic missiles provide the same firepower as aircraft, albeit being more expensive on a per-unit basis, but cannot be shot down (yes, I know of THAAD, etc. but these anti-ballistic missile systems are questionable at best), while also requiring far less infrastructure in terms of Tankers, aircraft carriers, bases, pilots, etc, etc. than stealth jets.

Stealth jets require ton of infrastructure and are pretty vulnerable to SAMs (as much as the manufacturers try to promote them, they are not invisible to radar and still require SEAD to operate effectively)

So there is more incentive to invest in ballistic missiles which are even more advanced then the current models. The J-20 and the airforce is an afterthought, maybe more important than the Army, but not as important as submarines or ballistic missiles.
 

by78

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Okay, maybe I should post it in the 3d images post since its not a photography but a 3d image...
if you think that would be the best move then I can move it, although this forum doesn't seem to let me edit/delete my own posts so I guess someone would do it for me?

The reason I asked is because we already have hundreds of very high quality images of the real thing, so it's unusual to see a 3D image of what appears to be the very old technology demonstrator that made its first appearance in 2011. I was curious if the image has any significance or shows something new, but you said nothing about it in your original post.

If it's just a plain 3D image that you thought was cool, then fine, just say it. Put a blurb with the image.
 

Inst

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The difference between ballistic missiles and aircraft like the J-20 is that the J-20 is reusable. Ballistic missiles launch their payload once, then the rocket is destroyed alongside the payload.

Ballistic missiles have the advantage that you don't really care if they're shot down; a DF-21D is estimated as costing 10 million for 1500 km range and a 500 kg payload, while a Su-35 with approximately the same range and twice the payload is around 50 million.

The advantage of ballistic missiles is that they work really well when your objective is to knock out enemy assets in the first wave of fighting, but once the enemy is deprived of defensive capabilities, aircraft do a better job.

Both are potentially both offensive and defensive tools; aircraft can shoot down enemy fighters or destroy enemy ground assets, while missiles can both be used for sea denial or to threaten an opponent's airbases and command hubs.
 

Deino

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How is a that image significant? Where is it from? Does it reveal anything we should know?

Could you calm down? SDF operates differently. Members here are free to ask questions and point out mistakes, a freedom not just afforded moderators. You shouldn't take that as a personal attack.


It is us in that way significant since it shows a clearer image - and not a 3D model - if that strage J-20 mock up in the USA.


But please guys ... calm down.
 
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