J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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AndrewS

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ougoah said:

So "myself (alone) taking four UCAVs to combat" seems to suggest a single seater J-20 is UCAV command capable and integrated with what we're supposing the J-20S is supposed to do. Perhaps it's just his choice of words but maybe the J-20S has a greater capacity for this role but the J-20 has been capable of flying with loyal wingman UCAVs.

As with everything with China's military, they say it long after it's been done and become a mainstay for things as important and sensitive as this. China performs hundreds of HGV flights, China only talks about a handful. China flies J-20 with Dark Sword since 2019, China only hints this is a thing in a short video in 2021? Who knows. We have been given visual hints for some time that J-20 flies with and commands Dark Sword UCAVs.
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The J-20 should cost somewhere between the F-35 ($80M) and F-22 ($150M)

In comparison, a loyal wingman only costs $2M each

So it almost certainly makes sense to have many more than 4 loyal wingmen per J-20, assuming they can be effectively controlled either by AI or a 2nd person in the J-20S cockpit

So you could have a J-20S (costing say $120M) controlling 20 loyal wingmen worth $40M
 
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AndrewS said:
The J-20 should cost somewhere between the F-35 ($80M) and F-22 ($150M)
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The figures seems to be high

But a question to other members now that this has been brought up. Do we have any official or any rumours on what it costs to produce a J-20

I cant see how a J-20 could cost as high as $150 million
 
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Overbom said:
The figures seems to be high

But a question to other members now that this has been brought up. Do we have any official or any rumours on what it costs to produce a J-20

I cant see how a J-20 could cost as high as $150 million
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Also need to consider programme costs v flyaway costs per additional airframe. You could also factor i lifetime operating costs.
 
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2001 had to test more things than 2031 does.
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I was going to say side weapon bay, but somehow the word “side” got lost

but anyway, my point is that, regardless of the the status, the aircraft frame structure should remain the same, so if the side bay is missing then it’s structure must have been changed, and is not likely to reverse back to the the side bay in the future
 
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Maikeru said:
Also need to consider programme costs v flyaway costs per additional airframe. You could also factor i lifetime operating costs.
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These are the figures I've already got for additional airframe procurement and operating costs

F-22: $150M procurement + $660M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-35: $80M procurement + $401M operating/maintenance over 30 years

F-15: $80M procurement + $330M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-16: $60M procurement + $166M operating/maintenance over 30 years

If you add operating/maintenance costs to the initial fighter procurement, it's going to favour even more Loyal Wingman drones because the drones have minimal ongoing operating/maintenance
 
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AndrewS said:
These are the figures I've already got for additional airframe procurement and operating costs

F-22: $150M procurement + $660M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-35: $80M procurement + $401M operating/maintenance over 30 years

F-15: $80M procurement + $330M operating/maintenance over 30 years
F-16: $60M procurement + $166M operating/maintenance over 30 years

If you add operating/maintenance costs to the initial fighter procurement, it's going to favour even more Loyal Wingman drones because the drones have minimal ongoing operating/maintenance
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Just to confirm, those procurement costs include development costs spread across the total airframes bought/planned?
 
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