J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

AssassinsMace said:

Didn't I say I'm not saying it is? I said at glance it looked like a Dark Sword.

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Well, Anjian and J-20 have similarities and difference. They're both canard stealth fighters, to begin with, but the Anjian lacks the double lerxes that characterize the J-20, and the J-20 has twin tailbooms the Anjian lacks. Moreover, the Anjian seems to have wider wings than the J-20, and well, the pilot pod is obvious with the J-20.

In either case, this is just a tutorial on Anjian vs J-20. IMO, the Anjian has too small a weapons bay capacity to perform for the J-20 as a "loyal wingman"-type missile escort, but it also lacks the lerxes and aerodynamic optimizations for the Anjian to function as cheap dogfight cover. The only superiority of the Anjian vs the J-20 would be in terms of cost, as the Anjian is an unmanned drone and doesn't involve putting a pilot in.

Inst said:

Well, Anjian and J-20 have similarities and difference. They're both canard stealth fighters, to begin with, but the Anjian lacks the double lerxes that characterize the J-20, and the J-20 has twin tailbooms the Anjian lacks. Moreover, the Anjian seems to have wider wings than the J-20, and well, the pilot pod is obvious with the J-20.

In either case, this is just a tutorial on Anjian vs J-20. IMO, the Anjian has too small a weapons bay capacity to perform for the J-20 as a "loyal wingman"-type missile escort, but it also lacks the lerxes and aerodynamic optimizations for the Anjian to function as cheap dogfight cover. The only superiority of the Anjian vs the J-20 would be in terms of cost, as the Anjian is an unmanned drone and doesn't involve putting a pilot in.

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Anjian mockups make it look like the absolute largest of UCAVs. Even larger than the Russian Hunter UCAV which is undoubtedly the largest publicly known UCAV. That gives it a bigger weapons bay than even the prototyped loyal wingman UCAVs that'll be entering the USAF and USN. At the moment, we don't really know what the true size of Anjian is but since GJ-11 is no smaller (probably a big larger) than its prototype flight demonstrator, I really don't think the Anjian will be much smaller than that leaked "full-sized" mockup. Basically the same size as a midweight to heavyweight fighter just without pilot support.

ougoah said:

Anjian mockups make it look like the absolute largest of UCAVs. Even larger than the Russian Hunter UCAV which is undoubtedly the largest publicly known UCAV. That gives it a bigger weapons bay than even the prototyped loyal wingman UCAVs that'll be entering the USAF and USN. At the moment, we don't really know what the true size of Anjian is but since GJ-11 is no smaller (probably a big larger) than its prototype flight demonstrator, I really don't think the Anjian will be much smaller than that leaked "full-sized" mockup. Basically the same size as a midweight to heavyweight fighter just without pilot support.

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Anjian IMO looks approximately the same size as the J-20. Anjian vs J-20 is what I've mentioned, there's a lack of rear probes. But you're right, if a J-20 doesn't look the same size as a J-20, it might be an Anjian.

That said, I attack the J-20's weapons bay as being insufficiently large (roughly the same as F-35, probably slightly deeper than F-22), so Anjian / J-20 weapons carriages would be sufficient.

Ok, guys .... since both @siegecrossbow's and @Bltizo's request to come back to the topic are fruitless, take this as a formal warning to come back to the topic, which is the J-20 and not a speculative comparison to the speculative Anjian.

Otherwise I need to put out the hammer again?!

I heard some news about Pakistan inquiring if China can share some j20 tech. China turned it down. China knows turkey wants to develop some fifth generation fighter with Pakistan and turkey using Pakistan's friendship to pry top j20 tech from China. Turkey has bad reputation. Better to stay away from this country

Oldschool said:

Pakistan'ın bazı j20 teknolojisini paylaşıp paylaşamayacağını süt bazı haberler duydum. Çin bunu geri çevirdi. Çin, Türkiye'nin en iyi j20 teknolojisini Çin'den çıkarmak için Pakistan'ın dostluk kullanarak Pakistan ve Türkiye ile beşinci nesil bir geliştirici geliştirmek istediğini biliyor. Türkiye kötü bir üne sahip. Bu ülkeden uzak durmak daha iyi

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thahahaha funny

Oldschool said:

I heard some news about Pakistan inquiring if China can share some j20 tech. China turned it down. China knows turkey wants to develop some fifth generation fighter with Pakistan and turkey using Pakistan's friendship to pry top j20 tech from China. Turkey has bad reputation. Better to stay away from this country

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Why would Pakistan want to develop it with Turkey instead of working together with China?

Oldschool said:

I heard some news about Pakistan inquiring if China can share some j20 tech. China turned it down. China knows turkey wants to develop some fifth generation fighter with Pakistan and turkey using Pakistan's friendship to pry top j20 tech from China. Turkey has bad reputation. Better to stay away from this country

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What's your source?

Gatekeeper said:

What a great viewing. It must been a thrill for passengers. I'm showing my age here. I remember reading a magazine, I think it's called 'China today' back in the 1980s. It showed Plaaf pilots having to train in formation flying with toy planes in hand on the ground. Something the Soviets did to save fuel.

My, how time flies.

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Passengers might not have been able to see them if they were directly overhead.

Using model planes to practice a routine might sound silly, but is something aerobatics and stunt pilots still use even today iirc.

Simulators are nice, but having the models in front of you, so you and see how all the planes behave in relation to each other, as opposed to being locked into the POV of the cockpit, does have its benefits.

Akame said:

thahahaha funny

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What's funnier is unfounded arrogance. I don't recall any Chinese ever feeling confident China could deliver a 5th gen fighter before J-20 prototype showed up.

It's funny that Turks are almost entirely convinced Turkey 100% can overcome all technical barriers through whichever and whatever means and capabilities. Despite Turkey never even having developed any truly comprehensive 4th gen technologies even.

Not even reverse engineering an F-16 equivalent since Turkey has very close access. How many subsystems has it reverse engineered or even developed and be able to make itself yet? Which ones are they? And the certainty of delivering a 5th gen fighter with ease despite not even having done 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gens even in parts.

Building licensed F-16s in parts is not even Cultural revolution era China licensing Mig-21. At least the Chinese managed to totally understand every since aspect of Mig-21 enough to build their own kits and manufacturing processes.

TFX may benefit from a host of supplier and partners to deliver or at least assist in solutions. I doubt the west will help with much if anything if the political course remain. Greece has increasing favour in Europe with Brexit. France fully stands on the side of Greece. If you're so personally sure of Turkish super dupa abilities, then so be it. I still think it's funny that the unproven nobody wants to take this arrogant position.