J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

Kalec

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He posted CB10288 rather than CB10280?

But yes, this kind of number does kind of track even though we haven't had any recent pictures of 200 range CB numbers.


The Scramble estimate of 250 J-20s also does seem a bit low to me given where they were likely at in the beginning of 2023 and what the expectations of 2023 J-20 production capacity were going to be, and being around 280+ would be a bit more consistent to me.
But maybe scramble was just being conservative.
Yeah, he posted CB10288, there must be something on with my eyes, Jesus. Then I am confused again how they made their numerical system again.
 

Blitzo

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Yeah, he posted CB10288, there must be something on with my eyes, Jesus. Then I am confused again how they made their numerical system again.

I mean, CB10288 would still be consistent with your "every batch after batch number 07/overall batch 8 has 40 airframes" theory, because batch 10 would have airframes 280 to 319 (edit: or would it be 281 to 320? I forget)
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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IMO the numerical system is consistent with the logic of "each batch consists of 40 airframes after Batch No.7" but it is very weird that no photo proof ever surfaced on social media meanwhile the number keeps going up.
Given the recent warning from the MSS, perhaps that is to be expected.

My guess: While a photograph of a fighter jet fresh-off the assembly line will be rather obvious for the censorship department, a random serial number "from nowhere" (lol) likely won't.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Drone command platform favors heavy plane like J-20, J16. Especially twin seaters.
Any twin-seater can do it, there is no special advantage in being larger.
Case can be made that a very highly specialized control aircraft can indeed benefit from larger airframe(for example if we want to fuze raw data feed from multiple sensor drones right there), but then even larger platform may be even better.

For "normal" twin seaters, i don't see too many useful advantages. it's brains, datalinks and computers, not kinematics and carrying capacity.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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I mean, CB10288 would still be consistent with your "every batch after batch 7 has 40 airframes" theory, because batch 10 would have airframes 280 to 319.
In that case, perhaps the J-20 has unofficially broke through the 300-airframes mark? Either before the end of last year (if Batch 10 is completed before 2024) or sometime early this year.
 

Blitzo

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In that case, perhaps the J-20 has unofficially broke through the 300-airframes mark? Either before the end of last year (if Batch 10 is completed before 2024) or sometime early this year.

Given that's another "milestone" I think it is more prudent to say that right now, chances are anywhere from 250-300 J-20s have been produced as a wide confidence interval and that it's not impossible that they may have broke the 300 mark.

But given the way in which people tend to be unable to read and exaggerate things with too much confidence, it is better for us to just not entertain it with explicit words yet.
 

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The same rumor spreader
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posted New Year post with "CB10280".

IMO the numerical system is consistent with the logic of "each batch consists of 40 airframes after Batch No.7" but it is very weird that no photo proof ever surfaced on social media meanwhile the number keeps going up.

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Interesting ... in another post he also mentioned something what sounds like the "final maiden flight for 2023 was performed on 28. December" and something I read already a few times but I do not understand: What is meant with "the "2323" balanced production goal"?? The 2323 is strange?!


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Deino

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I mean, CB10288 would still be consistent with your "every batch after batch 7 has 40 airframes" theory, because batch 10 would have airframes 280 to 319.


Pardon, but how sure we are with this "every batch after batch 7 - or as it seems from Batch 7 aka CB08 on - has 40 airframes" theory?
 

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Pardon, but how sure we are with this "every batch after batch 7 - or as it seems from Batch 7 aka CB08 on - has 40 airframes" theory?

It's a theory -- i.e.: we aren't sure, but it is one of the more reasonable explanations that might rationalize some of the more recent/larger CB numbers we've been getting rumours of recently.

To confirm it, we would need a CB number for the airframe being over 180 to confirm or deny it.

(edit: to clarify, I actually made a mistake in the last post, which I've since amended -- I wrote batch 7 originally, rather it should be batch number 07 which is the overall batch 8, given that batch number 00 is batch 1 technically)

Kalec's post from before explains the reasoning fairly well:

 

Deino

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It's a theory -- i.e.: we aren't sure, but it is one of the more reasonable explanations that might rationalize some of the more recent/larger CB numbers we've been getting rumours of recently.

To confirm it, we would need a CB number for the airframe being over 180 to confirm or deny it.

(edit: to clarify, I actually made a mistake in the last post, which I've since amended -- I wrote batch 7 originally, rather it should be batch number 07 which is the overall batch 8, given that batch number 00 is batch 1 technically)

Kalec's post from before explains the reasoning fairly well:



Thanks ... and indeed, all rumoured number (in fact all but CB09220 since the first CB09xxx aircraft should be CB09221) would fit into this system, if from Batch 07 aka CB08xxx the size of a batch consists of 40 aircraft.

But do you have an idea what's the meaning of "the "2323" balanced production goal"??
 
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