J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII
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antiterror13
Brigadier
Does it mean that 100 super top gun pilots with even F-16 should be easily handle 5,000 J-20s ?
Why not a good pilot is worth 100 J-20 ?
Well, I assume you agree that the "a good pilot is worth 50 J-20s at least" part doesn't make sense.
As for a "time perspective" for training pilots -- again, that is immaterial to the discussion that Gloire and Plawolf were having, which was talking about the utility of a modern fighter aircraft possessing a gun and various domains of combat including WVR.
So why is pilot training time even relevant to begin with??? It's not like either of them suggested that pilot training was unimportant or not relevant???
Finally, to entertain this notion even for a moment, how does one even go about comparing pilot training time to the production of an aircraft? They're utterly different domains with different inputs and outputs.
For both training a pilot and producing an aircraft, even the "time" element alone isn't inclusive of the singular output -- because there are cumulative man hours involved in supporting both the training of a pilot and the production of an aircraft, and if one wants to get even more valid, there should be considerations to try and quantify the relevant hardware needed for both the training of a pilot and the production of an aircraft.
This entire tangent of discussion never should have begun in the first place.
by78
General
A J-20 pilot wearing HMD.
Edit: Certain cockpit features seem odd, such as the placement of the explosive cord and the color of the canopy brace. I wonder if this is a J-20 after all, but I can't think of another fighter. Maybe this is one of the early prototypes
The other part of the image, giving us a tiny glimpse of the large MFD.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
10 good pilots on a Spitfire should easily handle 100 J20s flown by kindergarteners.Does it mean that 100 super top gun pilots with even F-16 should be easily handle 5,000 J-20s ?
Why not a good pilot is worth 100 J-20 ?
But this entire conversation has been taken out of context.
Perhaps it's my fault for not articulating better in my original post.
I can't tell if you're being ironic or not at this point.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Nobody else took it out of context; you're just saying stupid things. It is about new technology making legacy skills obsolete, which, as Blitzo mentioned, was already demonstrated by the USAF's novice-flown F-22 vs veteran-flown 4th gen exercises. As long as a modern stealth fighter is piloted by someone who knows how to activate the radar and point and click to shoot a missile, no spitfire has a chance. As long as they know how to get to altitude, no Spitfire can engage them even if they just flew straight and carried no weapons. I don't know about kindergartners; you might was well say infants or puppies since these are all things that couldn't get a J-20 airborne but your examples are cringe-inducingly horrible.
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That makes me wonder if some J-20 spottings we saw were actually RC-models.
If you boil it down to the absolute basics, he is more or less just expressing an outdated boomer principle that an ace pilot is the special snowflake secret sauce that matters an order of magnitude more than the technology. And that an ace pilot with an old gen fighter will defeat a novice pilot with a new gen fighter. This is obviously not reflected by real world demonstrations, and tells me that he might need more education in science, physics, technology, engineering, math, etc. Especially given we're likely on the cusp (within 1-2 decades) of data trained AI pilots being infinitely superior and cheaper than trained human pilots. The only thing that could slow or stop that is boomer political decision makers afraid of putting weapons into non-human hands.