J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VIII

[latenlazy]

I think you've missed the point of what siege wrote.

The idea is that there's no use to analyze a photo of this quality. It has nothing to do with spending more time or effort to analyze it or giving it more attention as it currently stands.


If anything, it would be more useful for all of us if we just pretend this picture doesn't even exist because that's all the good an image of this quality does.

Especially these days, when we have so many pictures of the J-20 now. A decade ago every picture was news worthy. Nowadays the bar should be higher. It’s no longer the case that just because we get a picture there must be news.

 

[cdj20]

This most definitely is a doctored photo. The whole thing just screamed fake to me especially with those weird afterburner angles. But the missing serrated edges also confused the hell out of me. View attachment 132514

The absence of the serrated edge is caused by the resolution.
You can see that from the two picture below, where the only difference is resolution.

 

[Nx4eu]

The absence of the serrated edge is caused by the resolution.
You can see that from the two picture below, where the only difference is resolution.

View attachment 132553View attachment 132554

I didn't want to continue arguing but yes I do realize the resolution can cause the absence of serration however I would just like to point out that in the alleged photo you can see the serration of the radome and some coatings of the top panels. Those areas with common serration have a more pixelated separation versus the oddly smooth/fuzzy and distinct difference where the nozzle is at. However these can all just be boiled down to image quality and artifacts.

 

[Inst]

As for older F-22s vs J-20, the USAF is retiring older blocks of the F-22, given that they lack EO/IR sensors and are considered too expensive to upgrade. Their rationale is that they're not effective on modern battlefields, i.e, the USAF doesn't see them as sufficiently superior to the J-20, and likely as inferior.

It's the same thing CMANO war-gamers found out; the J-20 was quite competent against older F-22s simply because the latter lacked EO / IR sensors.

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Regarding the obsolesce of the F-22 in its current configuration, particularly against the rival Chinese

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, deputy chief of staff for plans and programs Lt. Gen. Richard G. Moore, told the House Armed Services Committee’s tactical aviation panel: “Based on the most advanced weapons that an F-22 Block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the J-20, with the most advanced weapons the Chinese can put on it.” He highlighted that upgrading early production F-22s would be “cost-prohibitive and very time intensive.”

 

[Gloire_bb]

As for older F-22s vs J-20, the USAF is retiring older blocks of the F-22, given that they lack EO/IR sensors and are considered too expensive to upgrade. Their rationale is that they're not effective on modern battlefields, i.e, the USAF doesn't see them as sufficiently superior to the J-20, and likely as inferior.

Still curious that IR sensors and datalinks (relative to J-20 that has them internally) are seen as life or death factor.
Even in external form, effectively removing F-22 from the VLO category and likely significantly affecting its supercruise as well (go joke about felon signature with 2-4 external payloads, lol).

 

[sequ]

It's the same thing CMANO war-gamers found out; the J-20 was quite competent against older F-22s simply because the latter lacked EO / IR sensors.

You got a link to that?

 

[TK3600]

As for older F-22s vs J-20, the USAF is retiring older blocks of the F-22, given that they lack EO/IR sensors and are considered too expensive to upgrade. Their rationale is that they're not effective on modern battlefields, i.e, the USAF doesn't see them as sufficiently superior to the J-20, and likely as inferior.

It's the same thing CMANO war-gamers found out; the J-20 was quite competent against older F-22s simply because the latter lacked EO / IR sensors.

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If they are so ineffective... Surely they do not mind selling them!

Sounds like BS to me.

 

[Stealthflanker]

It's the same thing CMANO war-gamers found out; the J-20 was quite competent against older F-22s simply because the latter lacked EO / IR sensors.

You seriously use CMANO as example ?

 

[bebops]

Does J20 have advanced datalink like F35?

When one fighter jet spotted something, it will be shared with every other platform.

 

[Blitzo]

As for older F-22s vs J-20, the USAF is retiring older blocks of the F-22, given that they lack EO/IR sensors and are considered too expensive to upgrade. Their rationale is that they're not effective on modern battlefields, i.e, the USAF doesn't see them as sufficiently superior to the J-20, and likely as inferior.

It's the same thing CMANO war-gamers found out; the J-20 was quite competent against older F-22s simply because the latter lacked EO / IR sensors.

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These are old articles from 2023, why are they being posted again?

And why are you posting about CMANO as if it is a reflection of actual real world performance?



Actually the bigger question is why is "older F-22s vs J-20" a topic that you want to start out of nowhere? You've been around here long enough to know deliberately starting these kind of comparison topics is undesirable.