J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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defenceman

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ougoah said:
Not sure if we can accurately guess at PLAAF's acquisition planning. One thing I didn't see mentioned is the utility of older generations (compared to J-20) in creating more noise in the environment and using these as potential targets. The internal missile space on a F-22 or F-35 is invaluable. Not all missile launches result in a hit and not all hits result in loss. Therefore fighters like J-10 and J-11 can serve as sponges soaking up missiles launched by F-22s and F-35s and either scooting away or dodging them where they can. I'm sure this was also the thinking behind keeping J-7 production back when J-11s and J-10s were also produced during their initial stages. Even today, J-7s and J-8s can serve the role of creating more targets and noise in the air. Every missile shot out of an F-22 is one less aimed at a J-20 or J-16 in its limited bay. Flying back to Okinawa or Pacific bases will take time.

J-10s and J-11s are most likely cheaper and quicker to build than J-20s. They can carry far more effective ordinance than J-20 and are not limited in the types of ordinance e.g. heavy bombs and long range missiles. Therefore they have almost as much importance to PLAAF as J-20 does. It's not all an air-superiority high end fight. Most missions can be BETTER done by fourth gens that can carry far more. Particularly if PLAAF is defending and PLA should have ground support.

Meteor and AIM-120D are missiles that have improved the kill probability so there's a chance scooting away and using different tactics in bleeding missile energy won't work in dodging them. Fighters have fuel advantage and at end of missile's kill ranges (non-duel motor types) the missile can be defeated by high speed tight turns where the evading fighter burns through a lot of fuel but should easily be able to dodge heavy medium and long range missiles. That's where stealth fighters for PLAAF is a must have. Not only to go up against USAF 5th gens but to be active in denying airspace to USAF upgraded 4th gens and all heavy supporting assets. PLAAF needs numbers and missiles in the air to support J-20 operations in the front line fights. Drones are another rich area for exploitation in this regard.
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Hi ougoah isn’t it possible for China to deploy more SAM batteries with ability to detect stealth planes if they can’t churn out enough stealth planes and offcourse till that time they can stay within their own territory
Your input please
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defenceman said:
Hi ougoah isn’t it possible for China to deploy more SAM batteries with ability to detect stealth planes if they can’t churn out enough stealth planes and offcourse till that time they can stay within their own territory
Your input please
Thank you
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Why not have both? Having own stealth fighters offers a lot of ability that simply having anti-stealth capable (imaginary?) SAMs that have 100% kill probability will not offer. They are still limited in range and operational terrain and also slow to transport. Developing stealth fighters is as important if not more so than simply having them in the inventory (e.g. simply buying them from another country). I think using that old analogy is best; does having a perfectly operating armour negate the usefulness of a gun? USAF is mostly made up of 4th gen fighters, as is Japan's and India's airforces. Striking important targets using stealth strikers and bombers require a country to develop the basic technology from some starting point and most nations do not have and will not have anti-stealth capable SAMs for quite some time.
 
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Deino said:
Again there are reports (at the PDF) that the 9th Air Brigade has been converted or is in transition to the J-20:

At least I found the video:

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Deino
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Although the video doesn't explicitly mention that the brigade converted to using the J-20:

郝井文所在的王牌部队将再一次刷新历史，迎来中国新一代战斗机，这样一支部队可以在一个方向形成有效地去应对隐身威胁的这样一种作战能力，同时它也对非隐形的战斗机可以形成一个压倒性的优势。
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The quote above states that the "new generation fighter" equipped by the brigade can effectively counter stealth threats and achieve overwhelming advantage against non-stealth fighters. So they've indirectly confirmed that the 9th Air Brigade has converted to the J-20 from Su-30MKK.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Although the video doesn't explicitly mention that the brigade converted to using the J-20:



The quote above states that the "new generation fighter" equipped by the brigade can effectively counter stealth threats and achieve overwhelming advantage against non-stealth fighters. So they've indirectly confirmed that the 9th Air Brigade has converted to the J-20 from Su-30MKK.
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Wonder where the Su-30MKKs are going. They aren't to be retired just yet.
 
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Back when Su-30MKK were originally procured and put into service, they were given to regiments that previously used J-7, J-8 and so on. Since such regiments STILL exist, It wouldn't surprise me those hand-me-downs are going to go, once again, to J-7 or J-8 brigades. I certainly don't think those flankers could be given to J-10A brigades, for example, as they wouldn't be as much of an improvement, yet one'd still have to go through a lengthy re-training course for the unit personnel.
 
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