It looks like a straight up statement of (alleged) fact to me, no qualifiers made whatsoever.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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plawolf
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Well, firstly I think you need to aligns your expeditions with reality.
Demanding standards of proof even national intelligence agencies would not be expected to obtain is not ‘rigorous’ intellectual debate, quite the opposite. It is a rigorously used tactic to shut down lines of discussion that certain groups finds challenging and distressing to their perceived ‘rightful natural order’ of things.
If you demand peer reviewed academic article level of proof, you are better off studying historical aviation as you just cannot expect to get that level of definitive proof and details about operationally active assets. Especially not ones not for export - ie there is zero need or reason to reveal such detailed levels of actionable intelligence.
If it is confirmed that the J20 has UHF absorbing metamaterials, the US and others will immediately look to adjust their own counter stealth systems to try and compensate. Whereas without that cast iron assurance, they are unsure of whether developing UFH counter stealth radars is a worthwhile investment or a waste of time.
The fact that China has revealed that metamaterials are used on the J20 is already quite a departure from their normal levels of opsec.
We also have a parent filed for UHF radar absorbant metamaterials by Chinese scientists that are only a fraction of the thickness and weight of traditional RAM.
Any intelligence agency would treat those two facts as very likely to be linked.
Short of a public press release from the Chinese, (for which they have no reason to make, and I am sure the usual suspects would not believe it in any case even if China did come out and explicitly say it); or a massive security breach, you are simply not going to get the kind of definitive proof you are looking for.
That is both what makes Chinese military watching so frustrating and fascinating on equal measure.
If you demand ‘offical’ confirmation, you are only guaranteed to be several years behind the cure. If that’s where you want to be, by all means dismiss all evidence and hints to the contrary. Just don’t be surprised be always be surprised.
Um, no. You could use the exact same argument to "prove" any kind of unfounded conjecture. String a couple of unrelated articles together with some random internet crap speculation, demand that evidence directly linking them is not required, make some categorically unproven statements, and voila you somehow now have access to an alleged solid J-20-prereveal type of "fact", which in reality is still just nothing but speculation hanging on the most tenuous of logical threads. And yet you have made a definitively unambiguous claim to fact, as if you were simply relating that the sun rises each day and you were merely passing this knowledge on to the rest of us.
It would be far better for you to directly link the articles you mentioned instead of obscuring them inside 268 pages of J-20 thread, and point out exactly in these articles where the J-20 is speculated to be currently using UHF-specific metamaterials. Current metamaterials "research" is insufficient, speculation on current metamaterials use is insufficient. What is needed is evidence that research on UHF-specific metamaterials has already been finished, along with some kind of evidence that J-20 is currently using UHF-specific metamaterials; these don't have to be present in the same article but they should both be present in some form for your claim to have any iota of legitimacy at all. Your mere personal opinion that this is the case is wholly insufficient.
Yep!
Another nice photo from Jacksonbobo.
(1600 x 1065)
This girl is "SLOW", notice the massive deflection of the canards and the elevons for positive pitch,,, must have just lifted off and prolly staying local, probably shooting landings... That's the kind of deflection you would normally see as you flare for landing. The Elavons/Flaperons look black, so likely carbon fiber
The canard deflection just as well be banking and pulling moderate Gs in approach pattern.
That's very true Richard, and anytime you begin to bank an aircraft the G-load goes up,,, to illustrate a sixty degree bank generates exactly 2Gs positive in any and every airplane, so you compensate with aft stick and a power application to maintain altitude....
I would ask that you check the significant "nose up" attitude, normally in a landing approach you would allow the nose to fall below the horizon as you make a smooth turn onto base leg, and then turn onto "final approach"... this leads me to believe he has just lifted off, and has throttled back out of afterburner to remain in the area, possibly "shooting landings" or "touch and goes"..
All pilots do this in all aircraft, just to get the feel for the aircraft and its low speed handling, there is a very small margin above stall speed and you have to manage your energy and power application to keep the aircraft energy up, and yet not allow it to get so high that you overshoot your approach....
I'm just commenting on the larger than normally observed deflection, at high speeds control deflection is often very minimal,, and no doubt everyone one flying the J-20 is very, very well qualified as an aviatior,, only the best of the best are going to be flying her at this stage of development.
He said that he first heard about J-20's weight in 2006 and that it was supposed to be heavier than the F-22 and lighter than the SU-27. Ten years have passed and the current situation is unclear. He also later discovered that there were discrepancies regarding F-22's statistics by the Chinese intelligence and that there are problems with F-22's weight data.
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