J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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by78

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Oh what I'd do to be in their position!

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Deux à gauche, deux autres à droite, plus un au milieu, ça fait cinq... Pourquoi il n'y a plus que trois J-20 au défilé du 30 Juillet ?

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Two left, two others on the right, plus one in the Middle, that's five... Why there is more that three J - 20 to 30 July parade?
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
This reminds me of how if the F-22 engages in within visual range combat, its maneuverability is not much better than the Eurotyphoon. Nevertheless, in regards to BVR combats, it is totally a different story.
I actually think in this context 不错 should probably be translated as pretty good, not just "okay". Wrt WVR combat and the F-22, it's probably not much better than the Eurofighter in *subsonic* maneuverability, but is probably superior in *supersonic* maneuverability. When dogfighting the F-22 would probably try to spend to spend as much time in the supersonic regime as possible to exploit its kinematic advantages.
 

FORBIN

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I actually think in this context 不错 should probably be translated as pretty good, not just "okay". Wrt WVR combat and the F-22, it's probably not much better than the Eurofighter in *subsonic* maneuverability, but is probably superior in *supersonic* maneuverability. When dogfighting the F-22 would probably try to spend to spend as much time in the supersonic regime as possible to exploit its kinematic advantages.
F-22 have the best turn rate ITR or STR only later PAK FA can compete.
 

Pmichael

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I actually think in this context 不错 should probably be translated as pretty good, not just "okay". Wrt WVR combat and the F-22, it's probably not much better than the Eurofighter in *subsonic* maneuverability, but is probably superior in *supersonic* maneuverability. When dogfighting the F-22 would probably try to spend to spend as much time in the supersonic regime as possible to exploit its kinematic advantages.

It's rather the opposite compared to the Eurofighter.

Everything on the Eurofighter is basically designed to regain energy in transsonic and supersonic regime while engaging enemies.
 

b787

Captain
And you know this because...?
STR is related to thrust and enhanced by thrust vectoring, ITR is the max lift the aircraft generates.

thus, F-22 indeed has very likely better STR unless you prove J-20 has better engines than F-22.

ITR is much less clear, it is hard to tell, here no one can really say much without the take off weights and the average wing loading and thrust to weight ratio.

J-20 could have higher ITR, but lower STR.

unless you prove J-20 can supercruise, J-20 is in big disadvantage
 
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