J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Look at the profile the Slope of the intakes it there is a gun on J20 it's not there.

given the changes that have already taken place between J20 2011 and each iteration until 2017 these are each built as one off machines with alterations made unit by unit so there is no reason why they would share "Common structures." they may be of the same family but no two are entirely identical. Production units are when the design is frozen and then from that point on each one would be identical to its block and standard. Saying Oh there must be a cannon here or If they intend a cannon down the line so it must be indicated in the structure and you are just to blind or stupid to see it is, not recognizing that we are still in the teens of unit production with single digit LRIPs that are hand built, 2 not considering that as they are early units they are intended to be modified.
and as for claim of extra hatches I have looked and all I see is the seams in the skin.
And no amount of Trolling me is changing that.
We have the hexagons of the DAS and IRST as well as other sensors, hand holds and foot steps for the pilot to climb on the side missile bays the illumination strips, Cooling vents. I don't see anything in the right place or angle to be a gun port. And Again That is not to say they do not have one coming in the future. I just do not believe based on what has been seen that Any of the current J20 units have a gun installed.

 

[Iron Man]

given the changes that have already taken place between J20 2011 and each iteration until 2017 these are each built as one off machines with alterations made unit by unit so there is no reason why they would share "Common structures." they may be of the same family but no two are entirely identical. Production units are when the design is frozen and then from that point on each one would be identical to its block and standard. Saying Oh there must be a cannon here or If they intend a cannon down the line so it must be indicated in the structure and you are just to blind or stupid to see it is, not recognizing that we are still in the teens of unit production with single digit LRIPs that are hand built, 2 not considering that as they are early units they are intended to be modified.

Certainly the very edge of the plane near the canard root area is raised. But as you move away from the edge this "flare" loses its "flareness" (if that's what you mean by flare) and anything behind it can become a gun port. Looks to me this happens very quickly so a large portion of the area behind the canard root is potential gun panel. As for production units, LRIP birds ARE production units. Trying to falsely conflate prototype birds with LRIP birds is not going to work here, sorry. The LRIP phase is meant to transition the PRODUCTION of the fighter to a more streamlined faster-paced process and to finalize any minor design edits, not to make large modifications to the design (like adding a gun mount that wasn't previously designed into the plane). Large changes in design would already have been completed with the prototype birds. If these LRIP birds don't have a gun mount already designed into the airframe, the J-20 is not going to have a gun period.

and as for claim of extra hatches I have looked and all I see is the seams in the skin.
And no amount of Trolling me is changing that.
We have the hexagons of the DAS and IRST as well as other sensors, hand holds and foot steps for the pilot to climb on the side missile bays the illumination strips, Cooling vents. I don't see anything in the right place or angle to be a gun port. And Again That is not to say they do not have one coming in the future. I just do not believe based on what has been seen that Any of the current J20 units have a gun installed.

I see a lot of panels that both you and I have no idea what's beneath them. The difference between us is that I am admitting to it.

 

[FORBIN]

For me make sense in more for a stealth armed now or don't have is logic it is ofc not a F-4 armed after with a gun in a pod. F-35B have initialy ...but completely different for weight reason, the C similar.

But for combat capacities yet they are very few combats in the gun range it is mainly now and again more after the last weapon when all AAMs get fired in the futur again less BVR combats but for the police of the sky extremely usefull in more with fundamentalists terrorists... and they are some Chinese with ISIS in Syria so the job do by Western countries is interesting for all, the danger is everywhere...

 

[Deino]

J-20A 78275 in Milka dots camo again !

 

[Max Demian]

The chance that the J-20 was designed as a strike fighter is just about zero. We can talk about air superiority vs interception but either way this fighter was designed to kill aircraft, not surface or ground targets.

I think you're being a little too liberal with the verb 'designed'. While I would lean towards J-20 being optimized toward air-2-air combat, I don't see any evidence to conclude it is designed with no ability to carry out air-2-ground strikes.

The size of its internal bays may not allow for large weapons, but given its stealth it does not need to fire from the same stand-off range as legacy fighters. Thus a smaller, shorter range weapon should be just as effective. I think something in the class of IR/TV guided Popeye II should synergize quite well with its sensor systems.

 

[Richard Santos]

Modern fighters universally have tremendous thrust to weight ratio, very low wing loading, and the structural strength to withstand many Gs. This automatically mean they are readily adaptable to carrying a lot of ordinance and can become the basis of effective ground strike platforms.

 

[Blackstone]

I think you're being a little too liberal with the verb 'designed'. While I would lean towards J-20 being optimized toward air-2-air combat, I don't see any evidence to conclude it is designed with no ability to carry out air-2-ground strikes.

The size of its internal bays may not allow for large weapons, but given its stealth it does not need to fire from the same stand-off range as legacy fighters. Thus a smaller, shorter range weapon should be just as effective. I think something in the class of IR/TV guided Popeye II should synergize quite well with its sensor systems.

The J-20 is most likely an air-to-air platform, without much consideration for strike missions, because PLAx learned from analyzing US in post-Soviet wars is air dominance provide opportunities to "shape the battle field" for weeks and months before ground forces deliver the coup de gras, almost as mercy killing. Without air dominance, combat is more expensive in treasure and lives.

Since China can't currently go toe-to-toe with US air power, it does the next best thing by attacking US kill chain (C4ISR, air refueling, etc). The J-20 could use its stealth and long operating range to put AWACs and air tankers at risk, thereby reducing US tactical options, and de facto pushing US further back into the Western Pacific.

 

[Max Demian]

Certainly the very edge of the plane near the canard root area is raised. But as you move away from the edge this "flare" loses its "flareness" (if that's what you mean by flare) and anything behind it can become a gun port. Looks to me this happens very quickly so a large portion of the area behind the canard root is potential gun panel.

Perhaps this angle can help illustrate the 'flareness':

 

[latenlazy]

Perhaps this angle can help illustrate the 'flareness':

What matters isn't how steep the "flare", but vertical clearance height.

 

[Richard Santos]

J-20A 78275 in Milka dots camo again !

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It's a nice looking aircraft in planform view, far better than in profile.