J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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plawolf

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If someone can tell us what is it exactly where i have put a number pls
Again no gun visible.

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5 is gun port door. I pointed it out ages ago.

On the prototypes, they had a specially shaped panel behind this port. But on the production model, the panels are indistinguishable from regular panels. However, the opening/port is still there and in the exact same spot, so they almost certainly just changed the access panels to better optimise for stealth.

If they removed the gun, there would be no reason to keep the port.
 

tidalwave

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I hope China soon open up WS10x production line with J20 simply I getting tired of this Indian dude keep harping on China depending Russian engine thingy again, again,and again as if he's harboring some ulterior motive. Probably India has Zero Engine capability ,so by harping on China's dependence on Russia Engines he can drag China down to India's level and therefore makes him feel better.
He conveniently dismissed over 400 WS10x produced and equipped J11B and soon the J11D, J16, and J15. WS13E, and WS20 are ready for Primetime.

It's getting very tiring for him to harp on it once a week or two on this. If WS15 come on board 2019, he will have 2 more yrs to do it (mental mastuberbation to satisfy his or his kind's insecurity). Ridiculous!

Open enhanced Ws10x production line for J20 will shut him up ASAP.

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manqiangrexue

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I hope China soon open up WS10x production line with J20 simply I getting tired of this Indian dude keep harping on China depending Russian engine thingy again, again,and again as if he's harboring some ulterior motive. Probably India has Zero Engine capability ,so by harping on China's dependence on Russia Engines he can drag China down to India's level and therefore makes him feel better.
He conveniently dismissed over 400 WS10x produced and equipped J11B and soon the J11D, J16, and J15. WS13E, and WS20 are ready for Primetime.

It's getting very tiring for him to harp on it once a week or two on this. If WS15 come on board 2019, he will have 2 more yrs to do it (mental mastuberbation to satisfy his or his kind's insecurity). Ridiculous!

Open enhanced Ws10x production line for J20 will shut him up ASAP.

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Well, if he's ignored the 400+ operational WS-10X, why would building more shut him up? If he ignores facts, then why would WS-15 shut him up? There's gonna be people like him forever; they will cite 2009 engine troubles for why China's engines in 2025 aren't up to standards. China won't waste a dime or an engineer's eye-blink to try to shut people like him up. China will continue to do only what it sees as most beneficial to its own development, and if that means using more AL-31X in the mean time to focus all resources (that could have been spent on integrating WS-10X into J-20) on WS-15 development instead, then I stick fully by that decision.
 
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taxiya

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I hope China soon open up WS10x production line with J20 simply I getting tired of this Indian dude keep harping on China depending Russian engine thingy again, again,and again as if he's harboring some ulterior motive. Probably India has Zero Engine capability ,so by harping on China's dependence on Russia Engines he can drag China down to India's level and therefore makes him feel better.
He conveniently dismissed over 400 WS10x produced and equipped J11B and soon the J11D, J16, and J15. WS13E, and WS20 are ready for Primetime.

It's getting very tiring for him to harp on it once a week or two on this. If WS15 come on board 2019, he will have 2 more yrs to do it (mental mastuberbation to satisfy his or his kind's insecurity). Ridiculous!

Open enhanced Ws10x production line for J20 will shut him up ASAP.

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Why do you care or be bothered by that guy that much? If you believe he is bullshitting non-sense (which I believe too), just ignore him.

PLA will not be bothered to rush its program just to satisfy, entertain or meet someone's wish or demand, neither should you.
 

tidalwave

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Why do you care or be bothered by that guy that much? If you believe he is bullshitting non-sense (which I believe too), just ignore him.

PLA will not be bothered to rush its program just to satisfy, entertain or meet someone's wish or demand, neither should you.

People spreading fallacies should be taken down.
He's more mainstream than you though. At least he's with National Interest and you are with Sinofenceforum.
 

tidalwave

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Well, if he's ignored the 400+ operational WS-10X, why would building more shut him up? If he ignores facts, then why would WS-15 shut him up? There's gonna be people like him forever; they will cite 2009 engine troubles for why China's engines in 2025 aren't up to standards. China won't waste a dime or an engineer's eye-blink to try to shut people like him up. China will continue to do only what it sees as most beneficial to its own development, and if that means using more AL-31X in the mean time to focus all resources (that could have been spent on integrating WS-10X into J-20) on WS-15 development instead, then I stick fully by that decision.

At least for now, he keep posting J20 pic and talk about using AL31F on that.
WS10x, WS15 would shut him up.
 

manqiangrexue

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At least for now, he keep posting J20 pic and talk about using AL31F on that.
WS10x, WS15 would shut him up.
Why would it shut him up??? If he ignores 200 J-10B with WS-10X, why would he not ignore J-20 with Chinese engine? He would pretend it doesn't exist and post pictures of prototype J-20 and say that's proof China still uses foreign engines. Nothing will shut him up. He woke up in the morning needing to earn money and the best way he knows how is the write a China-bashing article with a click-bait title. Nothing, no truth or untruth can stop him. You are not logical because you are trying to use facts to shut down someone who (you admit) ignores facts. You're driving yourself crazy trying to use good logic to debate crazy people.
People spreading fallacies should be taken down.
He's more mainstream than you though. At least he's with National Interest and you are with Sinofenceforum.
People spreading fallacies should be taken down but that is a childish sentiment in the real world. In the real world, people can build entire careers having never written anything that passes expert scrutiny; none of it may have anything to do with China so don't take this personally. He's real mainstream and while we're on a forum. So what? What are you trying to say? That that has any impact on the truth? Gordon Chang is real mainstream and writes absolute rubbish every day despite the fact that any person (or economist) with any self-respect would have packed up and quit after having written a book calling for the collapse of a country that keeps growing at 7% annually almost a decade after his prediction. But did he? Hell no; he wrote another one saying this time, he's sure that by 2012, it's totally gonna happen; "Bet on it." Any public that wants to hear the truth instead of what sounds pleasant would laugh him out of the room every time he opened his mouth after that. But we don't live in that world. We live in a world where 95% of people willingly pay to hear what they want to hear (and Chang knows that cus at this point, he's been wrong so often that he probably has a hard time keeping a straight face while writing). This Indian guy is a toenail compared to Chang when it comes to bullshit. So deal with it and quit whining about wasting billions of dollars of national resources to shut one nobody up. Somebody tells lies about you and you self-inflict harm to prove him wrong? Hilarious strategy... for the other guy only.
 

tidalwave

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Why would it shut him up??? If he ignores 200 J-10B with WS-10X, why would he not ignore J-20 with Chinese engine? He would pretend it doesn't exist and post pictures of prototype J-20 and say that's proof China still uses foreign engines. Nothing will shut him up. He woke up in the morning needing to earn money and the best way he knows how is the write a China-bashing article with a click-bait title. Nothing, no truth or untruth can stop him. You are not logical because you are trying to use facts to shut down someone who (you admit) ignores facts. You're driving yourself crazy trying to use good logic to debate crazy people.

People spreading fallacies should be taken down but that is a childish sentiment in the real world. In the real world, people can build entire careers having never written anything that passes expert scrutiny; none of it may have anything to do with China so don't take this personally. He's real mainstream and while we're on a forum. So what? What are you trying to say? That that has any impact on the truth? Gordon Chang is real mainstream and writes absolute rubbish every day despite the fact that any person (or economist) with any self-respect would have packed up and quit after having written a book calling for the collapse of a country that keeps growing at 7% annually almost a decade after his prediction. But did he? Hell no; he wrote another one saying this time, he's sure that by 2012, it's totally gonna happen; "Bet on it." Any public that wants to hear the truth instead of what sounds pleasant would laugh him out of the room every time he opened his mouth after that. But we don't live in that world. We live in a world where 95% of people willingly pay to hear what they want to hear (and Chang knows that cus at this point, he's been wrong so often that he probably has a hard time keeping a straight face while writing). This Indian guy is a toenail compared to Chang when it comes to bullshit. So deal with it and quit whining about wasting billions of dollars of national resources to shut one nobody up. Somebody tells lies about you and you self-inflict harm to prove him wrong? Hilarious strategy... for the other guy only.
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Everybody knows J20 using AL31F now and he's fully aware of that.
J20 representing the pinnacle, That's why he pick-n-choose. He picking the the top one while ignoring the 3 generation WS10x fighters.

Come on now, if J20 indeed using domestic engines, he has enough common sense to not post BS article to fool people.

Take care of the top fighter, then he would have nothing to write on and maybe he would go to different topic like Chinese noisy subs or something else, at least he would be defeated in spreading false engine issues.

He knows Ws15 won't be ready in a few yrs so it gives him a window in spreading exaggerations and falsehoodness. WS10x for J20 will undercut his assumptions.

Face the reality!
 

manqiangrexue

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Everybody knows J20 using AL31F now and he's fully aware of that.
J20 representing the pinnacle, That's why he pick-n-choose. He picking the the top one while ignoring the 3 generation WS10x fighters.

Come on now, if J20 indeed using domestic engines, he has enough common sense to not post BS article to fool people.

Take care of the top fighter, then he would have nothing to write on and maybe he would go to different topic like Chinese noisy subs or something else, at least he would be defeated in spreading false engine issues.

He knows Ws15 won't be ready in a few yrs so it gives him a window in spreading exaggerations and falsehoodness. WS10x for J20 will undercut his assumptions.

Face the reality!
Well, I think you're giving him wayyy to much credit on how much he knows about engines (when WS-15 will be ready) or whether he has the common sense to not post BS to fool people. But I see your hypothesis is opposite.

So... what's the plan now? Because of this article, divert scientists away from other projects (maybe WS-15) so we can open a project for testing WS-10 on J-20? Then in the end, have AL-31 J-20, WS-10 J-20, and WS-15 J-20 for our techs to deal with? Even if it works, is that worth it to shut somebody up? What if it doesn't work? What if, after all your troubles, spending years and billions of dollars developing something that the PLAAF didn't want/need while adding tremendous logistic complexity, he just says that these engines are sub-par and a poor stand-in for Russian engines, placed there only for national pride? Then what will you do? Make public the blueprints to prove to him that the quality is good? LOL

You sound very young, easily angered and manipulated by your adversaries. Good thing cooler minds make the decisions in China.
 
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