J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Blitzo

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Surely not the best image, but the best I could do within a few minutes ...

Looks indeed modified in comparison to the original demonstrator's bays ... and so the question remains: will now fit 3 PL-15 per bay ? ... IMO more likely than before !

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I suppose one question we should ask is whether those black dots are actually for the launch rails, and whether or not we should use them to judge the number of launch rails the weapons bay can have.
Because I think in both the 2002 and LRIP aircraft, the pattern of those black dots is actually the same, with two pairs of black dots, followed by one pair of black dots, followed by two pairs of black dots again, and that in 2002 we can see a pair of black dots between the two launch rails (in the half of the bay without missiles).

I'll demonstrate below, where the red boxes are indicative of the "double pairs" of black dots and green boxes indicative of "single pairs" black dots; basically the idea is that the "double pairs" of black dots do also exist on 2002 but are covered up due to either the launch rails or the missile dummies, and in the LRIP J-20 some of the "double pairs" and "single pairs" of black dots are not seen in the image due to the angle of the aircraft relative to the camera.

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.... So the question we need to ask is whether the black dots are actually attachment points that can be inferred from something, and if the "double pairs" of black dots/red boxes are indicative of the sort of PL-15 launch rail, then do the number of "double pairs" actually mean anything for us in terms of projecting the number of PL-15 launch rails that can be fitted. This would also assume that the "single pairs" of black dots/green boxes are not for PL-15 launch rails but for something else, thus imposing a limit to the number of PL-15 launch rails that we can infer.


Or, are those "black dots" completely irrelevant to how many launch rails the aircraft can carry, and thus taking us back to comparing the width of the weapons bay of the LRIP J-20 vs 2002?
 

delft

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So unless we see a greatly expanded production facility??, (always possible), I would suspect the production rate will slowly increase as means and processes become more streamlined.
The change will be from individual production or, perhaps, now mini batches of four aircraft to a standard batch size of a dozen or more aircraft. That would cause a step change in production rate which must be preceded by building the production plant probably in a larger hall than is used for initial production. That plant is likely being built now.
 

Air Force Brat

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The change will be from individual production or, perhaps, now mini batches of four aircraft to a standard batch size of a dozen or more aircraft. That would cause a step change in production rate which must be preceded by building the production plant probably in a larger hall than is used for initial production. That plant is likely being built now.

Gents, I think we are at 4 AAM currently, and I would point out that it will carry 4 fairly large, longer range AAM, and in the long run, range is very important in the 5 gen world, to lower the chance of visual or radar detection, stand-off is the name of the game.

I agree master Delft, and for now I think it will continue as is until that newer production facility is up and running, and even once it is, it will take time to optimize the processes of production and getting it up to "operating speed."
 

FORBIN

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I think it is impossible to say if there 2 HP on a weapons bay or 3 matters of cms so difficult i have yet loock for it do comparisons 3 possible but not sure ...

And in the new pics/view we don' t have true HP as on the first.

An eventuality if they do a more compact variant of PL-12/15 as AIM-120C build especialy for F-22 normaly yes 3 AAM and more easy to see.
In more to consider Chinese missiles are more big than US in general.

For bombs i think 1000 lbs max.
 

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