J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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Air Force Brat

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AF Brat, I seem to recall that you wanted to see photos of the J-20 shot by a companion J-20. Do you think any of the above photos of the J-20 might be shot be its wingman? Another wish fulfilled, maybe?!

Its quite likely, although most air to air photos are by the back seater, but with gyro stabilized camera's, or even the IRST, its not out of the realm of possibility that those two formation birds could capture one another on video, in fact even a lowly "quad-coptor" takes some "awesome video".

The biggest thrill here is the "two ship", I would remind all that the T-50s maiden MACKs 2011 appearance featured a two ship and a "break" by the second ship with the first ship flying the airshow routine. All very kool, indicating a robust production operation.

Now a two ship formation aerobatic routine is not out of the question, but in my humble opinion, it would strike me as odd, since to our knowledge, no one has ever flown a "Demo Flight".
 

Air Force Brat

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this is likely a dead horse, but is bay size fit for 6 AAMs still a question mark?

I would say 4 to 6, I believe there is some kind of a triangular rack in the weapons bay, though I don't know that we have seen it launch weapons???

Anyway, that's likely plenty of AAM, although the current fad is "arsenal planes"??? but I'm just not sure that's a necessity, or even desirable? I guess we shall see??
 

davidau

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Flying in tandem.....
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underbelly...
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and more....
 

no_name

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From looking at the pictures of the opened weapons bay it appears that the bay is not uniform in its depth. It appears deeper towards the centre compare to either ends. Maybe they could stake 6 AAM via some overlay arrangement or it could be for other larger circumference munitions etc.
 

Blitzo

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From looking at the pictures of the opened weapons bay it appears that the bay is not uniform in its depth. It appears deeper towards the centre compare to either ends. Maybe they could stake 6 AAM via some overlay arrangement or it could be for other larger circumference munitions etc.

I'm not sure if the bay's depth is actually not uniform if it is just the appearance based off the S duct overhead making the weapons bay look deeper at certain parts.

But even if the depth was not uniform, I doubt that they would overlay AAMs, as such a choice would present a risk that failing to launch a given AAM means every other AAM in that half of the weapons bay is blocked up behind it.... and even if they did go with that decision I don't think there's enough continuous vertical height to attempt two layers of AAMs inside the weapons bay anyway.


The key thing to look at is whether there has been any change in the LRIP birds' (as well as 201X prototypes by extension) width compared to the weapons bay of 2002 (and 2001 by extension).
We should hope that we end up getting pictures of the J-20's weapons bay at similar angles to 2002's weapons bays from a few years ago to compare.


And if it turns our the weapons bay is only able to carry four PL-15s internally, I would not be surprised if a smaller diameter/wingspan MRAAM emerges in the coming years to better optimize J-20's carriage of such weapons, because I doubt the Air Force would be content with less internal MRAAMs than other stealth fighters of its class.
 

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I'm not sure if the bay's depth is actually not uniform if it is just the appearance based off the S duct overhead making the weapons bay look deeper at certain parts.

But even if the depth was not uniform, I doubt that they would overlay AAMs, as such a choice would present a risk that failing to launch a given AAM means every other AAM in that half of the weapons bay is blocked up behind it.... and even if they did go with that decision I don't think there's enough continuous vertical height to attempt two layers of AAMs inside the weapons bay anyway.


The key thing to look at is whether there has been any change in the LRIP birds' (as well as 201X prototypes by extension) width compared to the weapons bay of 2002 (and 2001 by extension).
We should hope that we end up getting pictures of the J-20's weapons bay at similar angles to 2002's weapons bays from a few years ago to compare.


And if it turns our the weapons bay is only able to carry four PL-15s internally, I would not be surprised if a smaller diameter/wingspan MRAAM emerges in the coming years to better optimize J-20's carriage of such weapons, because I doubt the Air Force would be content with less internal MRAAMs than other stealth fighters of its class.


Surely not the best image, but the best I could do within a few minutes ...

Looks indeed modified in comparison to the original demonstrator's bays ... and so the question remains: will now fit 3 PL-15 per bay ? ... IMO more likely than before !

J-20A LRIP weapons bay comparison.jpg
 
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