J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Deino]

Guys ... should I start a special thread only for fashion issues ???

 

[Deino]

Guys ... maybe there was a misunderstanding, but my comment was not meant as a funny question but as an order to stay on topic !

Deino

 

[vesicles]

No, the blue jump suit just automatically makes the chinese fighter pilot looks like the JANITOR.

We all know blue are often associated with laborers, workers, mechanics, etc etc.

Or maybe that's what the Chinese leadership want - after all it is COMMUNIST CHINA - where workers are........

That's the stupidest explanation ever. Have you ever seen a flight suit worn by a NASA pilot, or a US astronaut? It's BLUE! NASA flight suits are blue! Almost all US astronauts wear blue flight suits.

It's a fashion choice. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's hard for me to believe that NASA wants to immulate communist worker uniform.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

I recently watched a long video of a pilot explaining what was it like to transition from a 4th gen to 5th gen. platform. This pilot had flown extensively the F-18's, a top gun, an experienced F-22 pilot and then on to the F-35. His main points were :
(a) 4th and 5th gen platforms are totally different experience and transformational
(b) There was a clear disadvantage going in with 4th gen. experience because it was baggage.
(c)There was substantial relearning on how to fly and apply tactics because 5th gen capabilities bring totally different dimension and capabilities to the fight.
(d)The experience was shock, disorientation, and depression during the transition phase. It was shock because the experience was totally different. Disorientation because applying 4th gen tactics were counter productive and depression when you get your ass kicked by less experience pilot which went into the program without the 4th gen baggage.
Having said that, the main caveat that brought this transformational experience was not the stealth but the sensor fusion of the F-35. As we don't know what capabilities the J-20 have it may not be entirely relevant.

Sensor Fusion Is the F35's True Gift to the fifth generation. Despite the Claims of those who worship at the Idile of Pierre Sprey. Sensor fusion combines the Distributed optics, EOTS and Radar data into a singular world view in the Helmet mounted display. It's like having the Whole World around you displayed in a Bubble around your head. From Infantry on the Ground to ICBM's hundreds of miles away. The F35 pilot see's though God's eyes. This could be information overload to a pilot coming from a less Information centric machine.
J20 seems to have at least three parts of this. the ISRT, Radar and helmet mounted display.

 

[Blitzo]

Sensor Fusion Is the F35's True Gift to the fifth generation. Despite the Claims of those who worship at the Idile of Pierre Sprey. Sensor fusion combines the Distributed optics, EOTS and Radar data into a singular world view in the Helmet mounted display. It's like having the Whole World around you displayed in a Bubble around your head. From Infantry on the Ground to ICBM's hundreds of miles away. The F35 pilot see's though God's eyes. This could be information overload to a pilot coming from a less Information centric machine.
J20 seems to have at least three parts of this. the ISRT, Radar and helmet mounted display.

Seamless datalinking is also very important, and a big part of F-35 as well.

The ability to effectively integrate all of J-20's expected active and passive sensors, as well as to integrate the friendly data and information from other J-20s and other assets, and to fuse it and present it together for the J-20's pilot to use it to make the best tactical decision during combat will be a big part of how capable the overall aircraft is, and is as important as giving the aircraft WS-15 engines. In fact, if J-20 can seamlessly integrate its sensors and datalinking capabilities, then I regard those capabilities as even more important than kinematic capability, especially in the short term as only a few nations start to field 5th gen.

Unfortunately, we will have no way of knowing J-20's development and capability in this area at all, unless the air force eventually allows a documentary to reveal details of the project... and even then the information will probably be sparse.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Indeed, It's likely very likely that the Current machines are not even fully wired up with the full Avionics.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

The F35's problems don't stem from sensor fusion or multirole, they stem from the B version, and the apparent over-engineering of the plane, especially its software, which again, I personally believe links back to the performance penalties imposed on the A and C models by the need to be largely compatible with the far more complex and risky B.

Nope The issues were design translation and redesign as well as Avionics integration. B model's changes were almost all internal or relating to installation of STOL. The biggest issues were the Avionics with lesser issues relating to Propulsion and then Landing Tailhook.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

The F-35 programme was a dog's breakfast to put it mildly, with way too many complex requirements.

No the Requirements were more or less the same. The Avionics has been difficult but overall The mission set is the same. Fair A2A oriented more to BVR with near F18 performance. good A2G, Stealth characteristics across the board. the biggest changes were relating to landing and take off.

Whereas J-20 IOC is almost certainly going to stick to the core air-to-air combat mission, and then worry about other things in a later version. As a lone long-range interceptor/sniper, there's no point in ground to air capabilities or too much sensor fusion.

Sensor fusion is a all mission capability, and all Modern fighters are Multirole as they are more efficient. for comparison Consider that the Super Hornet does the jobs that once covered almost half a dozen different airframes, Air to Air (F14), Air to Ground (A6), SEAD (EA6), buddy stores(S3) and Recon (RA5) This means that instead of having 6 Squadrons each filling a specific niche and not being able to do any job other than those they were designed for. now you can have 6 squadrons that can do any of the missions It also means that the Pilots can jump missions well keeping the same training.

 

[Deino]

Most likely older image of no. 2012 ... but I think I haven't seen it before.

 

[Iron Man]

Sensor Fusion Is the F35's True Gift to the fifth generation. Despite the Claims of those who worship at the Idile of Pierre Sprey. Sensor fusion combines the Distributed optics, EOTS and Radar data into a singular world view in the Helmet mounted display. It's like having the Whole World around you displayed in a Bubble around your head. From Infantry on the Ground to ICBM's hundreds of miles away. The F35 pilot see's though God's eyes. This could be information overload to a pilot coming from a less Information centric machine.
J20 seems to have at least three parts of this. the ISRT, Radar and helmet mounted display.

I'm pretty sure J-20 also has EOTS, though I haven't seen a helmet-mounted display for this fighter as of yet.