J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

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Air Force Brat

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Any idea if the dorsal air brake is still there?

Should be, but that too is a great question, they tend to use the Chutes on landing, and we have very seldom seen the dorsal brake deployed, but once they are operational???? What the dorsal brake likely accomplishes if it does what it is supposed to??? is increase drag in the landing configuration, so you 2may carry more power, and "set" the aircraft in a position where it is easier to "flare" the aircraft just prior to touchdown.

For instance in the C-172, It is easy to flare with no flaps up to about 20 degrees of flap, once you go from 20 to 30 or 40, the aircraft takes a much more pronounced pull, and a lot more finesse to get a nice flare and touch down. In foact when Cessna introduced the C-152 to replace the C-150, they limited flap travel to 30 degrees for just that reason. So the dorsal will give you a positive pitch angle to the relative wind on approach, then the flare is just managing your airspeed and slight tug aft on the stick to break the decent and hold it off momentarily until it sinks slightly to touch-down.

They really don't seem to slow the J-20 as much as some other fighters on flare, as in the light test configuration, they are not actually having to operate it with-in the narrow aerodynamic envelope that they will once it begins to approach max gross wt.
 

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With regards to the size of the canards and stabs, basic logic tells us otherwise. We can clearly see from the frontal view that the span of the stabs are greater than the span of the canards, and that the canards and stabs are relatively the same in terms of length (though the stabs look a bit longer to me). It is thus mathematically impossible for the canards to have greater area than the stabs.

xiabbies second pic from today shows that indeed it appears the verts have a much greater span than the canards, could it be an optical illusion, the picture from the other day with the verts in the foreground and canards in the background made it appear the canards were very similar in size...oh and xiabbie awesome picture, good work guys, I know you are all excited, as am I, and its nice to be able discuss all of your observations..... NOW Kwai, what do you think about the different nozzles, same engine???? no same engine???
 

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xiabbies second pic from today shows that indeed it appears the verts have a much greater span than the canards, could it be an optical illusion, the picture from the other day with the verts in the foreground and canards in the background made it appear the canards were very similar in size...oh and xiabbie awesome picture, good work guys, I know you are all excited, as am I, and its nice to be able discuss all of your observations..... NOW Kwai, what do you think about the different nozzles, same engine???? no same engine???
Trust your ruler, not your eyes. Specifically with regards to control surfaces, because we are dealing with swept edges, keep in mind that the length of the edge is not the span. The more swept the edge the longer the edge is compared to span.
 

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Trust your ruler, not your eyes. Specifically with regards to control surfaces, because we are dealing with swept edges, keep in mind that the length of the edge is not the span. The more swept the edge the longer the edge is compared to span.

I am the Air Force Brat latenlazy, I have two very well calibrated MK-I eyeballs lad, I can usually tell when something is square or not, however, I like your point about the length of the edge and will try to program that into my antique hardware, why do you think I put up with you snot nosed kids, you teach me something new everyday.

and I do love your moniker, late and lazy, awesome, my Dad always told me I would be late to my own funeral, to which I replied, "I already am, and furthermore, I'm NOT ready to go yet!"
 
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