J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[Air Force Brat]

I agree with the sentiment, but it just isn't relevant at all. It's a sidetrack to the primary point, which is, all things considered, what exactly are we looking at. Is the J-20 a platform that has comparatively more lift or not? Does it have trade offs or not? If it does what are those trade offs? If it doesn't, why not?

Mig-29 constantly references the entire "all planes have trade offs", but there's hardly a discussion of what those trade offs are. He asserts something very general and when someone makes an argument for why that's wrong, instead of addressing those points he simply resorts to the "all planes have trade offs" argument as if everyone else doesn't know that. The issue here is that people dispute him on the specifics, and instead of engaging on the critique of the specific, he merely tries to wall off with general statements.

Classic Avoidance, its called you got me, but I can't admit the truth, 1. Eurofighters did not eat the Raptor, the Germans suggested that, the Raptor boys called "foul", Col. Moga is to classy to nail em. 2. T-50 is never gonna be a fifth gen, it will be agile, it may even be fast, it will "maybe" supercruise, It "ain't" stealthy, it too will have "excuses", but then I guess thats fitting! With the cancelation of F-22 production, the big rush for fifth gens is now a marathon, not a 100 meter dash!

 

[AssassinsMace]

David Axe is going to need a change of underwear... and a room freshener.

 

[airsuperiority]

David Axe is going to need a change of underwear... and a room freshener.

im gonna enjoy this. time to get the popcorn

 

[plawolf]

David Axe is going to need a change of underwear... and a room freshener.

Whoever did that missed a trick. Should have also put in a few x-wings, star destroyers and a protos carrier or megratron in a giant block of ice. I think the likes of David Axe will find it easier to believe space aliens gave China the tech to build the likes of the J20 or they RE'd it from a crashed giant robot they dug up in the arctic than the idea Chinese were able to come up with something that advanced and that good themselves.

 

[airsuperiority]

David Axe is going to need a change of underwear... and a room freshener.

They don't say Made in China for nothing. Now I know why China keeps lending.

 

[airsuperiority]

Converting a J-20 design into China's next generation of strategic bomber

Here's my inquiry, as it stuck me just recently of people discussing of China lacking a next generation bomber.

We all know what the J-20 looks like, with its canards, delta wings, and "artwork tailplanes). Its design is arguably capable of high speed, and of course there's no question with the current airframe as being made for air superiority.

My question now would be, can the J-20 airframe be utilized for other purposes such as strategic bomber? Quite like how a Su-27 can be redesigned into a new design designated for bombing like the Su-34, can the same be also applied to the J-20? The J-20 design itself is already recognized for its low frontal RCS profile, which would be excellent for penetrating enemy airspace. With that said, perhaps just a bit of re-design can allow this airframe be re-used?

My vision would be similar to Su-34, F-111, or even the B-1/Tu-160. The idea is to create a design based on a much-enlarged airframe for mission and capability requirements with some modifications. The front, such as the nose and the DSI will stay, while the rest of the fuselage may be raised higher up (like the F-111) if stealth permits, and the length and size of the entire aircraft be at least doubled. The increased length and volume of the fuselage would be used for the accommodation of increased fuel for range and payloads for mission and capability requirements. Finally the wings, canards, and engines would be up to you experts to debate. Since the J-20, in my opinion, is definitely capable of Mach 2, then perhaps this proposed design of mine could be seen as a pure high-speed stealthy strategic bomber/striker?

Overall we can say this design will actually really fulfill those naysayers and fanboys' arguments that the original J-20 is a striker/bomber, but this time this design being created simply because perhaps it is feasible for the role?


If you have trouble visualizing, just imagine a J-20 as large as a B-1 with the back of the cockpit buried into the fuselage like the F-111 or Tu-160

 

[siegecrossbow]

Re: Converting a J-20 design into China's next generation of strategic bomber

Wouldn't it make more sense converting it into a tactical bomber like the FB-22?

Simply elongate and widen the fuselage, replace delta-canard with tailless delta, and increase the size of the weapons bay. Voila.

 

[airsuperiority]

Re: Converting a J-20 design into China's next generation of strategic bomber

Wouldn't it make more sense converting it into a tactical bomber like the FB-22?

Simply elongate and widen the fuselage, replace delta-canard with tailless delta, and increase the size of the weapons bay. Voila.

If so, in your professional opinion, would China still need a new generation strategic bomber?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Re: Converting a J-20 design into China's next generation of strategic bomber

If so, in your professional opinion, would China still need a new generation strategic bomber?

In my not so professional opinion, China's next gen strategic bomber will probably resemble the B2 more. Weapons capacity is a bigger concern for strategic bombers.

 

[siegecrossbow]

They don't say Made in China for nothing. Now I know why China keeps lending.

Yangliang Test flight center 2025.