J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[AssassinsMace]

You are both correct.



Here by planning you mean intention to attack.

.

Yeah in the context of why is it important to get the J-20 into service by the time the F-35 is deployed in Asia? It would have to mean when F-35s are deployed they're going to attack China. Logically the F-35 has been in development far longer than the J-20 so why would China have to rush it? Again unless they're planning to attack China when they get their F-35s. It's certainly not the other way around that China is honorable waiting until they get their F-35s to make it a fair fight.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Yeah in the context of why is it important to get the J-20 into service by the time the F-35 is deployed in Asia? It would have to mean when F-35s are deployed they're going to attack China. Logically the F-35 has been in development far longer than the J-20 so why would China have to rush it? Again unless they're planning to attack China when they get their F-35s. It's certainly not the other way around that China is honorable waiting until they get their F-35s to make it a fair fight.

You're quite right of course Mace, but my hunch is that while China will take their time, they will want to be fairly concurrent with the deployment of the F-35, it won't surprise me in the least to see Japan leap ahead in the que, and possibly S. Korea and Australia, as Japan for certain, and possibly S. Korea will want their birds at an earlier date than some others, now depending on what Russia does, some European Nations may desire to do the same. If the Japanese or S. Koreans are intercepting J-11s or J-15s patrolling or running intercepts in the ADIZ, with F-35s and the F-35 proves stealthy enough to be able to get the "drop" on the Flankers, the Chinese will want the J-20 to counter those F-35 intercepts.......

 

[kwaigonegin]

Air Sea Battle is a strategy the US is developing to counter Area Denial strategies China and other nations have.

This does not meant he US wants to...or is planning to attack China. It just has plans on how to go about fighting in certain scenarios if it ever has to.

Of course, if Air Sea Battle is really implemented against China then there would be war. But, then again, it would likely not ever be implemented unless war has already started.

All nations develop and update contingency plans for almost ever scenario conceivable. They do this so they have plans in place should something occur that requires their use, so they do not have to try and respond without a well thought out plan.

Correct. The Pentagon runs thousands of simulated war strategies, plans and battle scenarios against every conceivable opponent and yes.. they have ran simulated plans on the invasion of Canada or fighting with allied countries as well!

If memory serves I think they even have plans for alien invasion!!! and I'm referring to the ET kind not the border jumpers!

 

[AssassinsMace]

You're quite right of course Mace, but my hunch is that while China will take their time, they will want to be fairly concurrent with the deployment of the F-35, it won't surprise me in the least to see Japan leap ahead in the que, and possibly S. Korea and Australia, as Japan for certain, and possibly S. Korea will want their birds at an earlier date than some others, now depending on what Russia does, some European Nations may desire to do the same. If the Japanese or S. Koreans are intercepting J-11s or J-15s patrolling or running intercepts in the ADIZ, with F-35s and the F-35 proves stealthy enough to be able to get the "drop" on the Flankers, the Chinese will want the J-20 to counter those F-35 intercepts.......

Given the pattern of the past, my hunch is anyone with an F-35 will be told to avoid them around where China can learn something.

 

[ladioussupp]

Yen-Liang (CFTE located) "Mei-Lian" Aviation Technology Ltd.

"J20 stall and tail spin test flight completed" in the red banner.

Is it a RC model company?

 

[cyan1320]

OT
China's counterpart might have deep pockets but the Pentagon still spends five times as much every year.

Very true, but they also waste a lot of money on things to appease certain politicians, like the continual building of M1 tanks which go right into storage after being built, all for the sake of keeping a plant open, to keep jobs in an area to keep a politician(s) in office
Corruption in the US is just as bad as in China...
link to the story

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

And don't even get me started about the fat contracts to companies which hire retired generals/colonels.

EDIT, this movie pretty much sums up my opinion of the above.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

for the readers here that are not familiar with the Bradley, check it out.
I'm still thinking the F35 is going to be the next reboot of the same problem

 

[Air Force Brat]

Very true, but they also waste a lot of money on things to appease certain politicians, like the continual building of M1 tanks which go right into storage after being built, all for the sake of keeping a plant open, to keep jobs in an area to keep a politician(s) in office
Corruption in the US is just as bad as in China...
link to the story

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

And don't even get me started about the fat contracts to companies which hire retired generals/colonels.

EDIT, this movie pretty much sums up my opinion of the above.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

for the readers here that are not familiar with the Bradley, check it out.
I'm still thinking the F35 is going to be the next reboot of the same problem

People who win elections are put in power by their constituents. No one in the US is a Dictator for life, and we always have the option to "throw the bums out". Now, does the electorate get greedy and vote for incompentant, immoral folks?????? well like I said, it is a "representative" government....now there is one party that is famed for voter fraud, vote early and vote often, living in central obamastan, that third world "bastion of poverty and corruption", if we could saw Chicago off and allow it to float out into Lake Michigan, Illinois might re-emerge from the ruble, and you can quote me on that!!!!!!


Is the F-35 the Bradley, NO, it has been scrutinized top to bottom, by people who would and could "put it out of business, yes there is a lot of PORK, one of the many good reasons I refer to it as the ThunderHogge II. It is built by LockMart, and they have given us more than their share of winners, it will be a good airplane, expensive, a pain in the butt to maintain, but it will work, of that you may be assured, and yes it does carry everything but the kitchen sink......

So the J-20, like every other piece of military equipment, is a political expression of the peoples will to defend themselves against those who they perceive to be a threat. All military equipment is a tangible expression of a peoples political will to defend their nation, and themselves and their families. I believe the J-20 will rise to meet the perceived "threat" and will likely be a very good airplane as well, yes it will be expensive, yes it will be complex, and yes it will likely do the job it was built for. It is unique for its very public debut in the PRC, and also the designers will to provide his country with a tool to defend his nation. I for one am just glad the citizens of the PRC get to have a voice in that process, and the Sino Defense forum is a very important mouthpiece for men of all stripes to express their concerns, as well as their pride, and we all get to "know" one another in the process. That it is all done in a respectful and gentlemanly fashion makes the Sino Defense forum, a unique place to get to "know" what is really going on in the world.

I have personally realized that we all are more alike than we are different, that makes this "forum" a very important voice for logic and reason, and a force for good, that gentlemen is why I am here, talking about this fascinating new airplane with the people who are "proud" of it!

 

[Deino]

Hey, now it makes perfectly sense - and IMO even more than an IFR-testbed - why this Tu-204C was assigned to the CFTE !

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Deino

 

[Deino]

PS: The aircraft in question is a Tupolev Tu-204-120CE – cn. 1450743664030 powered by RR RB211-535E4B with serial B-2871 assigned to the China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE) ant Xi'an-Yanliang.
It was originally RA-64030 operated by the Tupolev Design Bureau (08-1999) … after that it was operated by “Air China Cargo” (27-10-2008) and following a long time in storage at Tianjin it was finally delivered to the CFTE in May 2011.
First rumours about a future use were ranging from an EW-conversion to a testbed to evaluate a new IFR-system but now we know its real purpose ....

Deino

 

[Deino]

Any info on this one ??? Is it '2011' when still unpainted or is it the same bird due to the light so white ??

Deino