J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

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latenlazy

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I decided to do a pixel count to get a better estimate of the two planes. Attached above is the picture I used with pixels marked off so that you can dispute my methods and do your own estimates if you so choose. Each dot was one pixel, and each black line represents 5. I zoomed in on MS paint to mark each pixel and to figure out where the plane ended and the asphalt began.

I first started off with the J-15, which should share the same length as the Su-33, 21.15 m. Counting from the tip of the nose to the tip of the tail, the J-15 was about 44 pixels long. Divided by 21.15 I got roughly .48 meters per pixel (rounded). This seemed pretty close to 0.5 meters per pixel, so I decided to round the J-15's length up to 22 meters (divided 44) in order to get .5 meters per pixel, for the sake of this exercise.

The J-20 seemed to be about 43 pixels long. What was clear when zoomed in was that the J-20 was slightly shorter than the J-15. If we extrapolate this out using the resolution of .48 meters per pixel estimate the J-20 was 20.64 meters long. If we assume a resolution of .5 meters per pixel then the J-20 should be about 21.5 meters long.

It made sense to round the pixels up to .5 meters because what I've heard is that the resolution of satellite photos are often set to very clean ratios for the sake of getting a clean measure of distance and sizes. Now, by all reasons, given the J-15's real length, assuming it is the same as the Su-33's, the J-15 should have been 42-43 pixels long (and closer to 42) if the resolution of the picture is indeed meant to be .5 meters a pixel. One reason the count could have been higher is due to a slight angle of the plane's position relative to the orthogonal plane of the camera, which would have registered either or both the nose or/and the tail to an additional pixel each (their pixel being a combination of that and everything else in that .5 meter square) when being caught by the camera. (This is the peril of using a low resolution photo to do estimations).

What is clear though is that the J-20 seems to be tilted in a similar manner. Therefore, the size difference of about 1 pixel should remain roughly the same (might be slightly bigger, but in an exercise with this high of an error the difference should almost be negligent), which means that the J-20 is about half a meter shorter than the J-15. Thus assuming a resolution of .5 meters a pixel, corrected for the tilt the J-20 should be about 41-42 pixels long (probably closer to 41), and therefore 20.5-21 meters long.
 
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Deino

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Why again are here some who still insist that the J-20 is larger than 21 m ....
 

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plawolf

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Why again are here some who still insist that the J-20 is larger than 21 m ....

Because if the J20 is over 21m, then they can continue to cling to their increasingly desperate hope that it will have average agility. Some people are just in a deep state of denial about the fact that the J20 is a full-blooded 5th gen air dominance fighter and seem to have a pathological need to try and find flaws or design compromises to try to put it down.

The root cause of all this angst seems to be either a deep sense of insecurity about how well their own favourite fighters might stack up against the J20 if it met the design's full potential, or a deep sense of racism which makes them unable to accept that anyone except a fellow white man could come up with something so advanced, so anything the Chinese designed by themselves instead of copied must be deeply flawed in some way if only they looked hard enough.

That is also probably partially why the J31 did not generate anywhere like the kind of indignant disbelief, or baseless speculation about just how well it might stack up against other designs as the J20 did when it first came out. The J31 has been branded as a copy of the F22 and F35 by most western 'experts', and it is within their expectation that a Chinese 5th gen would be a rip-off of one or more existing designs. The fact that the J20 was radically different was simply incomprehensible to many western 'experts' with decades of ingrained prejudice and bias despite the fact that they have seen pictures of it with their own eyes.

If it was not for all these psychological barriers, there was no way the 23m claim could have been taken seriously for as long as it was or this much resistance to very logical, transparent and effectively peer-reviewed estimates of it's true length using known constants.

I have not seem a single credible rebuke of even the previous detailed pixel count that arrived at ~20.5m, certainly nothing that stood up to any kind of scrutiny.

More often then not, the 23m crowd simply ignored all evidence and reasoning to the contrary with a degree of diligence and determination that would be almost admirable if it was not used in such a worthless pursuit.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who can still claim that the J20 is > 23m after seeing all the evidence to the contrary without even presenting any evidence to support their own claim is not someone whose opinion matters in the slightest to me.
 

Quickie

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IMO, the pitot tube is negligible in terms of mass contribution to the aircraft, which is why it should not be counted when measuring an aircraft body length.

Talking about what should be counted, the length of the J-20 should be measured until the engine nozzles since the aft stablizers only extends further aft of the aircraft body but is not where its body actually ends.
 

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Why again are here some who still insist that the J-20 is larger than 21 m ....

it is around 21 meters, it could be 20.9 or 21.1, in the picture you posted the Su-27 is slightly ahead of where the J-20`s tail end, the Flanker is around 21.9 almost 22 meters, of course since the details are so blur people will see what ever they want, the F-22 and J-20 picture i posted before has a realistic scale since they use the canopies as measurement and they give a measure of 21.1 meters.


But i bet when the official dimensions are disclosed the J-20 length will be in the 21meters length range.
 
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